Physick on SMN

[Fytayn]

Yes some of those actions have use but for general recent content (not solo like msq, potd, eureka etc) and end game the majority are useless. Any SB duty Repose, Sleep, Tether have literally no use at all.

In being completely ineffective in every situation, and thus having no true purpose or situation for its use, Physick is useless; in having a noticeable effect in a niche situation, or having a particular use, any of those other abilities have times where they are very useful.

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. There are plenty of SB duties that have foes which are affected by sleep, heavy, bind, silence, pacify, stun, etc. If "SB duties" was supposed to mean "SB raiding and trials" then, yes, unless a duty has a specific mechanic involving them you have a point. I'll admit the emphasis on speed and DPS output in duty finder parties means that crowd control is often ignored but it is still effective if a group wants to use it. If we're being fair about whether something is useful or useless in FFXIV you can't carve out whole categories of content.

(not solo like msq, potd, eureka etc)

My point in calling a Summoner's Physick useless is that it is ineffective in every situation, in nearly all content (Arcanist/Summoner Physick is crappy-but-functional until Caster gear loses Mind at iLv50), in the game -- definitively ineffective in all of HW and SB. It has no specified use.

To correctly define "useless" is something that does absolutely nothing in certain situations. Target immune to Sleep well Ripose is no good, immune to Bind that's Tether out of the window. Physick still does something even if it is pitiful and barely worth it.

If we are "to correctly define" useless then its first definition is "not fulfilling or not expected to achieve the intended purpose or desired outcome." Nearly every other ability achieves its intended purpose in one type of content or another. Summoner's Physick achieves no purpose nor outcome regardless of the type of content; starting from iLv50 and continuing through HW and SB it is never worth it.

Physick for Summoners is entirely ineffective. Fix Physick.

[Kurando]

If we are "to correctly define" useless then its first definition is "not fulfilling or not expected to achieve the intended purpose or desired outcome." Nearly every other ability achieves its intended purpose in one type of content or another. Summoner's Physick achieves no purpose nor outcome regardless of the type of content; starting from iLv50 and continuing through HW and SB it is never worth it.

The intended or desired outcome of Physick is restoring a target HP, it still does that, it cannot be denied, therefore it does not exactly fall under being "useless". In the end it still does it's job, the outcome still happens regardless, but it's effect becomes very lackluster the further past ARR it goes. Again using something like Sleep where the target is immune to Sleep, that IS useless because nothing happens for the outcome except a waste of MP/casting time.

By the way, no one mentioned anything at all about status effects such as Silence, Stun, Blind or Pacify, as THESE still work in a lot of content We are only discussing the likes of Sleep, Bind, knockback, to which I also mentioned this does not include solo content where a lot of it can actually be used,. You won't however seen them being used in DF content for the reason they just don't won't do much at all (knockback tends to be more viable but still not so much).

[Cabalabob]

The intended or desired outcome of Physick is restoring a target HP, it still does that, it cannot be denied, therefore it does not exactly fall under being "useless". In the end it still does it's job, the outcome still happens regardless, but it's effect becomes very lackluster the further past ARR it goes. Again using something like Sleep where the target is immune to Sleep, that IS useless because nothing happens for the outcome except a waste of MP/casting time.

By the way, no one mentioned anything at all about status effects such as Silence, Stun, Blind or Pacify, as THESE still work in a lot of content We are only discussing the likes of Sleep, Bind, knockback, to which I also mentioned this does not include solo content where a lot of it can actually be used,. You won't however seen them being used in DF content for the reason they just don't won't do much at all (knockback tends to be more viable but still not so much).

Those moves aren’t useless though, the content is designed to exclude them, that’s not an issue with the move it’s an issue with the content design. Physick is not made useless by the content you are doing, it’s made useless by the design of the move scaling off a stat that SMN doesn’t use, when this is a simple fix of changing the stat it scales off of.

[Kurando]

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If it's "designed to exclude them" then they are useless, simple. Something that in effect does nothing as the outcome is useless, I mean it can't be any more black and white than that. Physick needs a fix yes, but it still provides an outcome regardless of our expected result.