Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[MoroMurasaki]

Theses wernt my words just like theses wernt either: Oh & I guess that was too much text so, I will clarify how this is relevent to parse topic :

Please kindly shut it until you have something to add. Harrassing people isn't okay.

This is the thing. They can DPS fine. People are talking about optimization here mostly, in the same sense healers and tanks dps, and in the context of the hardest content in the game. It's not like you can't do anything in the game because we keep wiping due to dps, so we need parsers just so they can do normal content. People are complaining random dps aren't good in this game's hardest content. It's really only an issue in savage or ex, and mostly due to farm parties or the harder end content. People make this out to be a bigger issue than it is in game.

If no one recieved anything other than a pass or a fail all throughout their schooling as a child (and even then they could get a pass based on just the kids sitting near them doing well) and then entered university only to be slapped in the face with personal accountability and much higher standards how many people do you think would have a college education?

This is essentially what we are doing to everyone right now in this game. You can play all the way through the msq and recieve virtually no feedback on how you're doing but then you enter Savage or even an EX primal and suddenly the skill you never developed bites you in the butt. I believe this is a large part of the reason some people don't raid.

I joined a PF posted by a BLM not long ago for o5s. He needed his clear. We filled quickly and went in. There were enough base mechanical errors that there was no way we would have ever cleared but I noticed that this BLM specifically seemed to be doing absolutely nothing a lot of the time.

After the disband I looked him up out of curiosity. His strongest Ridorana parses were around 1.2k dps, less than 1k on Yiazmat. I know that you know that that is low enough to be shocking.

I'm not saying this guy is a bad person, I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to play the game or anything, but the fact that he thinks he can walk into Savage when he can't break 1.5k dps in a much slower paced and more forgiving piece of content speaks to this issue. He is uninformed due to the lack of information given to him over the course of his playtime and he may never even find out how hard he is failing at his fundamentals because there is basically a shadow ban on calling him out on it.

I know that specific example is extreme but he definitely isn't alone and things don't have to be that bad to let someone become discouraged from raiding. Parsers would give these people the information to learn how to play, instead we leave them all in the dark and wonder why they're walking into walls.

[Ruf]

MoroMurasaki

[Ruf]

Parsing and FFLogs are only harmful to a player when the other player is PURPOSELY USING THEM TO SHAME, DISCRIMINATE, OR MAKE ANOTHER USER FEEL LESS THAN A HUMAN BEING.

IT IS NOT THE TOOL'S FAULT THAT THE PERSON BEHIND THE SCREEN USING IT IS A JERK.

Geesus, Riyah.

Someone's getting angry.

[MoroMurasaki]

MoroMurasaki

Yes?

I can't lie, I'm curious what wisdom is going to be bestowed here xD

[Sigma-Astra]

Someone's getting angry.

I didn't realize using a common font emphasis on a standard typeface to show the importance of certain words or phrases counts as being "angry". I mean, that's basic high school English.

Straight from Google:

noun
noun: bold

1.
a bold typeface or letter.
"difficult words and phrases are highlighted in bold"

But, if you want to continue this charade and get banned, by all means.

[KaivaC]

Dude, you were an object example of how parsing and fflogs could be harmful to a player, if they took it too much to heart. You literally were shamed over your parses; now your back to what, playing the raider card again? Don't lecture me on "kindly raidgoers" when they almost drove you out of the game.

Heh. Alright, since Ruf opened up this can of worms let's go ahead and address it directly. If you'll recall, I had one hell of an ego. I got humbled and then I couldn't handle that I wasn't as good as I portrayed myself. In addition to other things going on simultaneously that I was not prepared to deal with, I had a breakdown. Nobody chased me from anything. I did this to myself because of my immaturity.

Yes, at present, I am back in FFXIV and yes, I still consider myself a raider, but I am not currently raiding because I finding enjoyment in what I'm currently doing. What you call "shamed", I currently view as areas of improvement when I get to that level again. I am not at that level right now, nor am I in a rush to get to endgame. Those players who commented on my parses, most of those were constructive criticism and I am taking it as such. Again, what happened was of my own making and I own that.

[RiyahArp]

Again, what happened was of my own making and I own that.

Just..well, don't tease me about kindy raiders. It was painful to see you go through that, and it really was due to parsing and expectations. I'm not mad at you over the teasing but it was just a bit much.

For Astra:

Look, tools change behavior. People can be jerks because of the way tools or games are designed; this is why Overwatch in particular is a horrible mess. And in a lot of endgame, yeah raiders can be jerks, especially with parsing. I don't throw terms around like carried or burden because I'm not looking at a handy real time ranking chart of how good or how poorly people do.

I'm not saying this guy is a bad person, I'm not saying he shouldn't be allowed to play the game or anything, but the fact that he thinks he can walk into Savage when he can't break 1.5k dps in a much slower paced and more forgiving piece of content speaks to this issue. He is uninformed due to the lack of information given to him over the course of his playtime and he may never even find out how hard he is failing at his fundamentals because there is basically a shadow ban on calling him out on it.

The issue with this is not solved by a parser. The issue with this generally happens because the guy goes through the game without anyone caring enough to mentor him, or even doing stuff with him to notice he is so low. A universal parser doesn't solve this; you'd need in game, defined rotations and tutorials similar to a fighting game, or at least other players who teach people.

A parser doesn't help this guy, because it's not useful feedback to him. 1.2k dps doesn't mean anything to him. What he needs first is someone who is willing to teach him some. I don't know if he has asked, but a lot of the fcs I've been in no one bothers to teach.

And at this point, i wouldn't care if they barred people from savage with harsher prereqs. Let them put some hard trial or something up that is solo or something. I'd rather have this than have the game turn into a slog in order to teach everyone with the expectation we eventually all do savage level dps.

[MoroMurasaki]

I don't throw terms around like carried or burden because I'm not looking at a handy real time ranking chart of how good or how poorly people do.

I hate to keep coming at you like this but... does this mean if you did have a chart you would be acting this way?

[Sigma-Astra]

Just..well, don't tease me about kindy raiders. It was painful to see you go through that, and it really was due to parsing and expectations. I'm not mad at you over the teasing but it was just a bit much.

For Astra:

Look, tools change behavior. People can be jerks because of the way tools or games are designed; this is why Overwatch in particular is a horrible mess. And in a lot of endgame, yeah raiders can be jerks, especially with parsing. I don't throw terms around like carried or burden because I'm not looking at a handy real time ranking chart of how good or how poorly people do.

Yes, tools can change behavior. The keyword is change, here. But, guess what? That is still NOT the tool's fault entirely. The tool doesn't brainwash people into behaving a certain way or acting less than savory towards others. Stop using that as an excuse. I deal with the public ALL of the time since I also work in a grocery store on a daily basis as a second job. Let me tell you: If people want to act like a bunch of a-holes, they're going to act like one hell or high water because that's what they WANT to do, not because someone else told them or some inanimate object told them, that's what THEY WANT. A person has to be willing to accept that change within themselves before the change can happen. I don't act like a jerk because I use a parser. Why? Because I chose not to do so.

Tools don't control people, the people control the tools. Would you blame your toaster for burning your toast because some jerk decided to turn the dial up to 9? No, you would not, you would blame the person's behavior, not the inanimate object that can't respond back to you.

[KaivaC]

Just..well, don't tease me about kindy raiders. It was painful to see you go through that, and it really was due to parsing and expectations. I'm not mad at you over the teasing but it was just a bit much.

It's cool, we all need more of that teasing going on around here, tbh. I don't intend to let myself go down that route again. I know what mistakes I made, where I went wrong. But.. Thank you for your kindness. I appreciate it.