Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[Ruf]

Saw a comment recently that's been making me think for a good portion of the day - obviously, this is more tuned towards Savage raiding, but I suppose it could be applied to normal fights as well. Obviously, with pretty much all top DPS having BiS, they are expected to be around the 6-8k range, depending on the fight and class and the right static. Let's take that last part out and go with a purely PUG environment. Let's say the average DPS is currently 355.

If they are hitting 4k worth of damage, does this automatically make them a garbage tier player? I'm curious because something like this being said stood out to me, so I wanted to know what the others thought. Me personally - there's some ring of truth to it, though I don't wholly agree with the sentiment, but it's not entirely wrong.

edited: To clarify, as a 4K DPS myself (Monk), I can agree that because I am only hitting 4K, I am definitely doing something wrong myself. Obviously, not all DPS are the same and some do require a certain team comp in order to be fully effective. Whereas I am not saying that I personally think that players currently only managing 4K, I do wonder how many do accept or agree with the sentiment that these types of players fall into that category of 'garbage tier'. Hence, the purpose of this discussion. What are your feelings on the matter?

Added a question mark this time. Hopefully this thread won't go the direction of my last one. So this is kind of a two fold question. Is it ever justified to tell a player that they should quit the game? Whether it's followed with reasoning should as they feel the player is bad, or if they just don't like the player, or whatever reason people tend to come up with for things... Is there any situation in which it may be justified to tell a player to permaquit FFXIV?

On the opposite side, as the player being told this, would it be something to consider if somebody approached you outside of, say, an instance or maybe even outside the game, and said this to you. Just curious.

Good morning, everyone. This is something of a plea to the community, and something of a personal confession at the same time. It’s been a good week since I pulled myself away from FFXIV…no forums, no gaming, no reddit. As some of you might’ve suspected with the last set of threads I had created (and my responses in those threads), I do suffer from severe depression and anxiety. It really is no excuse for my behavior. However, I do know that there are others out there who do suffer from similar symptoms who are in our community, whether they are on the forums, reddit, or wherever they might be.

FFXIV is supposed to be a fun game. No matter what you are doing, whether it would be for raiding, crafting, hanging out with friends, or whatever it is that occupies your time while you are in game, fun should be your number one priority. When you take fun out of the equation, that’s when real problems start to stir up. Please don’t let yourselves think that this is a job that you have to do. While I’m speaking on experiences within FFXIV, this applies really for anything gaming-related. Don’t sacrifice your health for a game.

I have been in those shoes – still am. If you do suffer from anything related to depression or anxiety, please seek help. Please seek out resources. There is a discord specifically for the FFXIV community that welcomes members who do suffer from these symptoms – the good folks there are always welcoming of new members, and it has an amazing staff. Think of it as a hangout spot where you just come in and talk with other individuals, with no pressure on you. Reach out to your friends, your family, professional help if you need it.

I’ll link the Nervous Eorzean right here: http://discord.gg/cKEqRQA

I love FFXIV, I do. But your own health has to come first and foremost. Take a break if you need it. If you have friends who are pointing out the signs, pay heed to it. This community is amazing, and the folks here do look out for one another. Please don’t allow yourself to prioritize the game more than your own health.

For those of you out there who think you’re alone – you’re not. Hang in there. Go to the Nervous Eorzean if you just want to talk about anything in general to get things off your mind. Talk to your friends and family members – never cut them off, because they are reaching out to you because they care. If you have a good FC/static that looks out for you, talk with them.
Lastly, I want to send a heartfelt thank you to the FFXIV OF community. I know I was a bit of a handful at times, but this community is by far the best I’ve personally ever experienced. I kindly ask if you see the signs in others that you have seen in me, point them in the right directions. For all who have read this, I thank you for indulging in this post. I am unsure if I will ever be back, but at the least, I wanted to share this with everyone else and hope that maybe with this post, some of those who struggle with similar symptoms will be able to find the strength to reach out if needed.

Once more, I will post The Nervous Eorzean.

Thank you, FFXIV OF Community.

Signed,
Kaiva Cordodan

But Kaiva….

[Sigma-Astra]

But Kaiva….

....Do you just enjoy harassing users randomly?

[Ruf]

Theses wernt my words just like theses wernt either:

<insert witty comment without actually typing it to avoid getting this comment deleted> #temptingfate

Oh & I guess that was too much text so, I will clarify how this is relevent to parse topic :

Let's say the average DPS is currently 355.

If they are hitting 4k worth of damage, does this automatically make them a garbage tier player?

Is it ever justified to tell a player that they should quit the game?as they feel the player is bad, or if they just don't like the player

[Sigma-Astra]

Theses wernt my words just like theses wernt either: Oh & I guess that was too much text so, I will clarify how this is relevent to parse topic :

You weren't making anything relevant at all, you were purposely posting crap to stir up drama with ONE particular user. Don't give me that "relevant to the parse topic" bs. At least own up towards your less than thinly veiled attempt at trying to troll another user needlessly.

[KaivaC]

....Do you just enjoy harassing users randomly?

Oh its fine. Let the children have their fun. Soon as I get back to my pc, I'll address them.

[Genoreaper]

Pshhkohh...trading tongueflaps with uplander is busywork. Pointyfingers to the tongueflaps that kindly raidgoers are saying. Teachytime is lost on uplander. Pshhkohh.

This was gold

[KaivaC]

But Kaiva….

So... What exactly was the point of quoting two of my past threads? No, really, I would love to know. Was that an attempt to bait me? All this because I made mention that you were back? That is some reddit level pettiness right there. But seriously, why did you bring them up? I really want to know.

[Sigma-Astra]

You know, if anything Kaiva, you just got free advertising for your The Nervous Eorzean. So, at the very least, one good thing came out the guy's random pettiness.

[RiyahArp]

Pshhkohh...trading tongueflaps with uplander is busywork. Pointyfingers to the tongueflaps that kindly raidgoers are saying. Teachytime is lost on uplander. Pshhkohh.

Dude, you were an object example of how parsing and fflogs could be harmful to a player, if they took it too much to heart. You literally were shamed over your parses; now your back to what, playing the raider card again? Don't lecture me on "kindly raidgoers" when they almost drove you out of the game. FFS, the only reason I don't raid is because I don't care to deal with people who view things like "carried" or think a game should involve responsibility or pressure. People lose any authority with me when they talk like that.

Kindly raidgoers is a bit much when they can't go five seconds without describing other players as burdens that need to be carried, lazy, moochers, needing to feel the responsibility and pressure of their job, etc.

[Sigma-Astra]

Dude, you were an object example of how parsing and fflogs could be harmful to a player, if they took it too much to heart. You literally were shamed over your parses; now your back to what, playing the raider card again? Don't lecture me on "kindly raidgoers" when they almost drove you out of the game.

Parsing and FFLogs are only harmful to a player when the other player is PURPOSELY USING THEM TO SHAME, DISCRIMINATE, OR MAKE ANOTHER USER FEEL LESS THAN A HUMAN BEING.

IT IS NOT THE TOOL'S FAULT THAT THE PERSON BEHIND THE SCREEN USING IT IS A JERK.

Geesus, Riyah.