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    Quote Originally Posted by ZanzaUmi View Post
    Which could be used for this next idea:
    Dungeons could have two paths, or more: one the normal path that we have.
    Another path with fewer, but tougher enemies (almost like bosses themselves) that will eat right through durability. So, a balanced path and a quicker(?), tougher path. And split some dark matter among them so the party as a group has to decide how to proceed. And not literally two paths, could be more like Aurum Vale, where there are lots of enemies and you choose how to proceed through. Larger open dungeons with more enemies, and not having to kill literally everything to proceed.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    Most people will still pick the fastest/easiest path and ignore all else because they're only there for tomes and/or the daily roulette bonus.
    Still not a reason not to give this a try. Many people have been requesting more challenging dungeons. For those who want to take the "easier route," let them. I'd even go further and make it to where you don't have to kill everything to advance but if you do, you can gain special items from the monsters that could unlock areas with a hidden boss that drops rare gear/more tomes and provide a different challenge for the dungeon runners. One of the things that I did enjoy about the SB dungeons was that the ones up to the lv67 dropped weapons only obtainable by repeating them. Even if they weren't the strongest, they did provide unique looking weapons.

    I know most people complained about Tsuyu, Shin and Nidhogg normal when they first came out but I loved them and thought it was just the right difficulty for a boss compared to the normal dungeon bosses that can be face-rolled.
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    Last edited by Renato; 07-25-2018 at 11:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    IIRC repairing other people's gears existed in 1.x but it was removed. As much as I want that functionality back, I can also see why. It's too prone for abuse.
    For starters, it absolutely should not take anything from the crafter repairing, otherwise people will just say no, even if they're compensated. At the very least, it means they'll have to go get more later which is a hassle, but they might only have enough for themselves. You should manage your own dark matter when repairing gear, even by proxy like that.
    Then there's people who don't know how gear repair works, and will start harassing people for not having certain crafters so they can't repair their gear. "But you have a level 70 CUL!" yeah, for all the good that'll do your broken boots...
    And then there's the simple fact we're dealing with the human element. They can say 'no' for a plethora of reasons even if all it takes from them is clicking a button - and let's not get into how forcing a dialog on someone is already problematic. You can't even trade in instances.

    And then there's the other issue where if you do anything that isn't just slapping a mender NPC in all instances, you're effectively forcing crafters into the battle meta...

    The simple, go-to solution regarding this would really be to slap a mender in instances, but that would make gear durability even more redundant, they might as well just remove it
    Most of these sound like non-issues to me personally. :#

    1) When melding, the person requesting the meld uses their own materia. This could be handled the same for repairing. No need to use the other person's stock.

    2) If someone doesn't know how repairing works, then that's on them. Simply telling a person "hey, I can't do that one for you" is easy enough.

    3) This one could potentially be a bit problematic, but I doubt most people will resort to spamming a repair request. I've never had anyone spam me for melding, I don't see this being a big deal for repairing either.

    4) I'm not quite understanding this one. Keeping gear repaired is the responsibility of the player themself. I doubt DF groups are going to force crafters to be in each party (how could they), and if you have a static you run with, well, if they're crazy enough to force crafting on their group - that's their own right. However, it's still shifting the responsibility from the player. I would imagine that a static member would be more likely to be called out for not keeping their crap repaired vs. forcing everyone to level a crafter.

    5) Put a mender in instances, it's still a gil-sink which is the only purpose of gear-repair in the first place.
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    Last edited by Skivvy; 07-26-2018 at 12:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuro89 View Post
    There is zero excuse for why this doesn't exist yet. Not when we can already right click & request meld from other players.
    Ready for the real kick to the head? This actually existed in game through Beta phase 2. It was removed in Beta phase 3. If they removed it, then the chances are near zero that they will put it back in.

    The reason it was removed? Cross-Server DF. Originally Duty Finder was same server only. When they went Cross-server they had to gut a lot of things to make it work by reducing the need for data transfer. For some reason this included repairing other people's gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerrinTaveren View Post
    I can't understand why they don't apply the uznair/aquapolis or POTD/HoH formula to dungeons. They can implement rare monsters like those goblins or cyclops to the dungeons which reward players, they can implement random rooms that can have traps or some kinda boss or full of treasure chests etc. It would make things really interesting.

    Or just put some random mechanics to the bosses. Like zurvan's icicle/tail mechanic or formation of those ice/fire nodes, or like sophia's balance mechanic. I don't say make it hard but not make it so scripted and we might expect a few diversity in mechanics.

    But well, this game is like this for 5 years now (we might as well say 6, because it will go like this till 5.0 definitely), and if we say it is in the middle of its lifespan, i don't think SE cares to change the formulas they think it works well.
    I've always wanted these kind of changes for dungeons more than anything. There must be some kind of random element to keep people from going insane. I have a friend who is still leveling some jobs and asking me to help but it can feel depressing still repeating the old dungeons for 5+ years when it's the same every run.

    Same enemy types, placements, numbers; every turn is identical on your 500th run as it was on your 1st. The way treasure dungeons and deep dungeons randomise things is so much better than knowing for sure that room 1 will contain say exactly five wyverns every run forever and the treasure coffer will never have even a tiny chance of containing something special.

    The dungeons are very pretty to look at but the gameplay is much too rigid for something that is supposed to be repeatable and farmable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuro89 View Post
    There is zero excuse for why this doesn't exist yet. Not when we can already right click & request meld from other players.
    It existed in 1.0 then they took it away from us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    IIRC repairing other people's gears existed in 1.x but it was removed. As much as I want that functionality back, I can also see why. It's too prone for abuse.
    For starters, it absolutely should not take anything from the crafter repairing, otherwise people will just say no, even if they're compensated. At the very least, it means they'll have to go get more later which is a hassle, but they might only have enough for themselves. You should manage your own dark matter when repairing gear, even by proxy like that.
    Then there's people who don't know how gear repair works, and will start harassing people for not having certain crafters so they can't repair their gear. "But you have a level 70 CUL!" yeah, for all the good that'll do your broken boots...
    And then there's the simple fact we're dealing with the human element. They can say 'no' for a plethora of reasons even if all it takes from them is clicking a button - and let's not get into how forcing a dialog on someone is already problematic. You can't even trade in instances.

    And then there's the other issue where if you do anything that isn't just slapping a mender NPC in all instances, you're effectively forcing crafters into the battle meta...

    The simple, go-to solution regarding this would really be to slap a mender in instances, but that would make gear durability even more redundant, they might as well just remove it
    You... don't really have an argument here. You just described a system that already exists in the game.

    Materia melding via other players already exists. Which is also job/level dependent, meaning the melder has to have the correct jobs leveled up to at least the level of the equipment (not so for repairs, which are up to 10 levels below the item's level).
    On top of that, melding also requires a catalyst, carbonized matter, which is taken from the person requesting the meld. Nothing is taken from the melder.

    My point is that a system that tweaks gear at the request of another is already in place, and very little additional work would be needed to take this a step further for repairing gear, mirroring the existing Request Meld system.
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    tackle box or we riot, enough said otherwise all my bait fills one whole box of the inventory and if we get more it will will two inventory boxes, so tackle box please (yes i keep every bait you never know when you need it plus its better then running allll the way back for it)
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    Crafting classes don't get a special box to hold crafting items so I don't really see a reason why fishing characters should be treated differently. It makes no sense to give them extra space when every other class also has the same issues in terms of inventory space.
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    What makes you think someone who doesn’t care enough about their gear condition to repair before queueing into a dungeon is going to care enough to keep enough dark matters stocked in their inventory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niraye View Post
    tackle box or we riot, enough said otherwise all my bait fills one whole box of the inventory and if we get more it will will two inventory boxes, so tackle box please (yes i keep every bait you never know when you need it plus its better then running allll the way back for it)
    They added a tacklebox, is called chocobo saddlebag, and you can store other things too.
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