Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[Ultima]

To be fair, the Feast chat was absolutely horrendous. I can't believe some of the messages that were being sent when SE was pushing Feast really hard. Screenshots from friends from what they experienced, just from lapse of judgement on their part. The vetern XIV PvPers were not at all friendly by any means to having new blood competing if they were stuck with them on the same team.

I mean jeeze, I remember a friend being upset and posting a screenshot of someone telling her to uninstall and hang herself because of a loss. Told her to report the player, but the fact it was even said is just astonishing.

About the topic, I don't care about parses. I take issue when people use it as a leaderboard or to bar people from content they can do. In some other thread, I had talked about Aether having a few PFs with number/log requirements to join. People came back and said they've been online all week or something and said they never saw anything. I hadn't taken screenshots because I generally don't for those sorts of things and my comment basically got talked down to a 'pic or it didn't happen' status.

Late, but they do exist:

This was earlier today on Aether. This is the kind of stuff as to what makes me not like parsing (actually, it's more FFLogs than parsing, because of the leaderboard-like settings that some people seem to like pushing). I fully expect a 'their party, their rules' or 'make your own party' statement to be typed, or something to do with play styles. My main point to this particular screenshot is to have grey DPS means you have cleared the fight (it just means you might not have had a particularly good comp to boost your numbers) or haven't quite the gear to get better numbers. That speaks nothing of your competence. :\

You get grey DPS by underperforming or repeatedly dying. You can have decent gear and a mediocre comp and still achieve a decent rating on the parse. They're free to make what rules they want on their PF entry, that's the entire point of having the freedom to make your own PF whenever you want. If they're going to look at like one grey log from one clear with someone dying a bunch or whatever to get a grey parse then they're not people you want to associate with. The same thing everyone has said already. The tool doesn't make someone into an asshole, they were already an asshole and they would've found another way to judge people. They would've cranked up the item level and then people would post a screenshot saying the item level is too high.

Be thankful they even checked the parse, they could've enforced a meta comp and then people would complain they can't go as SAM or BLM or whatever, there will always be a new thing for someone to blame or exclude. Be thankful this time it's something that can be factchecked. Repeated grey parses? No good. A grey or a few greys where you can identify it wasn't their fault? Fine. People have the right to decide who is in their party for whatever reason they want - even your choice of race and job combo.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

since SE claims over and over they don't design content with healer DPS in mind.

Really? iirc the actual quote was that healer DPS isn't taken much into account when at the appropriate ilevel, meaning that at ilvl 370, you really won't need healer dps to meet the check, if you are below that line, healer DPS may be necessary for completion, especially if the performance from the DPS is on the low side.

Its not that healer DPS isn't taken into account, more that when at the appropriate gear level, it isn't as necessary. I highly doubt they design content that doesn't take healer DPS into account, hell if they didn't then I guess Gordias was just meant to be completely impossible until you reach the max gear level.

[Shurrikhan]

You get grey DPS by underperforming or repeatedly dying. You can have decent gear and a mediocre comp and still achieve a decent rating on the parse. They're free to make what rules they want on their PF entry, that's the entire point of having the freedom to make your own PF whenever you want. If they're going to look at like one grey log from one clear with someone dying a bunch or whatever to get a grey parse then they're not people you want to associate with. The same thing everyone has said already. The tool doesn't make someone into an asshole, they were already an asshole and they would've found another way to judge people. They would've cranked up the item level and then people would post a screenshot saying the item level is too high.

Be thankful they even checked the parse, they could've enforced a meta comp and then people would complain they can't go as SAM or BLM or whatever, there will always be a new thing for someone to blame or exclude. Be thankful this time it's something that can be factchecked. Repeated grey parses? No good. A grey or a few greys where you can identify it wasn't their fault? Fine. People have the right to decide who is in their party for whatever reason they want - even your choice of race and job combo.

This. While I may find checking fflogs silly for the time being, as 90% of many people's parses are going to be from trap parties or other runs they did not themselves publish, while yet other parses are inflated with only those players' best of best runs, it is at least far fairer than estimating potential to clear something solely off (1) item level, (2) meta composition, or worse (3) former clears (e.g. you're locked out from joining the party creator's clear... unless you've already cleared, and are therefore basically just helping...).

[Sigma-Astra]

Things like what happened in PF stated above isn't really uncommon, but can easily and freely be ignored as most people who tend to do that aren't worth your time really. However, it also helps that my fiance is a PC user and thus will usually upload any of our parses that are better than what we've put out the last time. You can freely go ahead and look at mine and you'll notice how I started in greys and eventually worked my way into greens and then blues in the current scope of Savage. You'll notice my large number of parses with all of my Byakko and Tsuki farming that I did and a lot of those were uploaded by other people. You shouldn't be ashamed of getting a few greys if you know that you can consistently do better and that you want to do better. That's all.

Your parses don't define you entirely, you define yourself and those numbers. The numbers reflect your own effort. If you know you're better than a grey, then you're better than a grey and all you need to do is just find a like-minded group to nab that green, then go for blue, etc.

(I would like purple at least, but we can't all be perfect I guess. My runs aren't always optimal and I could work on my timing with things myself. I just think between my work, other games, and things that blue may as as good as I'm gonna get this late into the tier, but that's a larger step for myself from Delta, in my opinion.)

[Nestama]

As if any bit of content outside of savage actually necessitates tank stance, nothing hits hard enough to warrant it, you can beat Swallows Nest doing big pulls completely in DPS stance and barely need a heal

To be fair, I kinda stay in Shield Oath for most of the dungeon because my PLD isn't as geared as my DPS Jobs and I don't want to lose hate against DPS who know exactly what they're doing (looking at you, BLM's).
Though I swap to Sword Oath once I'm comfortable with where everyone is at.

[Sigma-Astra]

& sir would be one of the warriors i dont want to be healer for, glad theres a kick vote in the game.

P.s: I understand how you feel JohnSeal, i actually dealt with Hyomin & her crew before! Hey all, PARSE BLOW, now enjoy reading my logs as you so like doing ppl.

I see you are still salty about Hyo and Bourne calling you out for saying a double Diurnal AST stack is good. /smh

[Sigma-Astra]

To be fair, I kinda stay in Shield Oath for most of the dungeon because my PLD isn't as geared as my DPS Jobs and I don't want to lose hate against DPS who know exactly what they're doing (looking at you, BLM's).
Though I swap to Sword Oath once I'm comfortable with where everyone is at.

#Sorry, not sorry Nest....we honestly can't help it. Once we start the grill, we can't stop the BBQ.

[Ruf]

dealt with Hyomin & her crew before!

Sigma-Astra

[KaivaC]

On the whole grey parse thing as of right now...well, it is their PF. Their rules. They are letting you know ahead of time to not waste their time by being a grey, so in that regard, going in there and complaining over this - when they could've easily kicked whomever joined without a word - is silly, at best. That being said, if one hasn't been keeping up with their gear, I can see people who are parsed today that end up as grey. As stated before, a whole lot of raiders currently have been BiS for some time, are likely in a static when they can coordinate their buffs, and are getting boosted by these buffs. It's not really fair to drag this argument out about that screenshot - it's a bit different within the first 8 weeks of a raid tier, when everybody is still on somewhat equal grounds til they have their BiS.

& sir would be one of the warriors i dont want to be healer for, glad theres a kick vote in the game.

P.s: I understand how you feel JohnSeal, i actually dealt with Hyomin & her crew before! Hey all, PARSE BLOW, now enjoy reading my logs as you so like doing ppl.

Oh. You've returned. <insert witty comment without actually typing it to avoid getting this comment deleted> #temptingfate

[Sigma-Astra]

Sigma-Astra

More like I was just passing through that thread, read the hilarity of it, and also happened to remember it, but by all means, continue to be paranoid and try to bait.

It's not hard for people to remember certain things that stick out to them. That was one of them.