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  1. #391
    Player RiyahArp's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Why aren't people getting kicked left and right from DF for their terrible DPS?
    Terrible dps wont wipe the run, because they didn't design casual content assuming everyone would parse it. That means no dps checks and no enrages. when DPS can wipe the run, like in ex and savage you do get a lot of griping, kicks, and disbands.

    It's mostly because casual content is so trivial that we don't see more problems. It's not really the good naturedness of the raiders, because believe me, we see you complain in FCs and on forums about others, when the content is 100% optional and only attracts some people.
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  2. #392
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    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
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    Still waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is and actually do some raiding without using said tools. Or at least respond to a point I made to you about it. I see a whole lot of barking about something that doesn't conc-

    Wait, you know what, since I know for a fact that you will not put your money where your mouth is, because it's far easier to rant about anti-parser nonsense, how about you answer how it affects you personally in-game. Reasonably. Speedruns in dungeons and mass pulling are not a symptom of parsing, so don't try that. But seriously, how does this affect you personally when you're in game? If you're being parse while doing...whatever it is you do in-game, what kind of nightmare happens in the daily in-game life of Kisa? Do tell me so that I may understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Sadly, the rDPS hasn't been updated in a while. So I can no longer recommend that. Outside of programs, there are some very good guides available on The Moogle Post or simply joining The Balance are your best bets.
    TMP is still around? Huh...didn't even know they had guides there. I'll look them up momentarily.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    Terrible dps wont wipe the run, because they didn't design casual content assuming everyone would parse it. That means no dps checks and no enrages. when DPS can wipe the run, like in ex and savage you do get a lot of griping, kicks, and disbands..
    Haukke HM? The big bomb in Brayflox HM? Keeper of the Lake? The Vault? Sohr Khai? Castum Abania? Ala Mhigo?!
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  3. #393
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    TMP is still around? Huh...didn't even know they had guides there. I'll look them up momentarily.
    Um, I would strongly advise against giving TMP any of your ad money for the foreseeable future. Some really skeezy things happened with the upper management, and there's no telling who profits from your clicks.

    Look up other community guides. The ones on TMP are great, but there's a ton out there that will relay the same information.
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  4. #394
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    Honestly, let's not pretend that raiders who already parse don't suffer from others who also parse, but they also have their heads up their butts as well. Plenty of people I know of, myself included, have gotten flack from people who DO parse and people that DON'T. There's no completely good nor evil side as both have various shades of people in them. I'm sub-average in Savage, but much better in EX trials and 24-raids mostly....the train on BLM is just rough for me for some reason.

    The painting is easier and I've been trying to figure out how to squeeze more damage.
    To maximize up times is to know the scripts down to the second. For example, if you know you are going to need to dodge and run (before the fact) you can, sharp cast fire, thunder, have swiftcast ready, triple cast (best would depend on the specific time stamp) just before you have to run. There is also Aether manipulation and between the lines, using these well can maximize uptime and I rarely see people using all these for these purposes, if worse comes to worst shoot a scathe, but doing that REALLY depends how much you have to go without casting. if it is only .5 sec you lose in up time for example it might not be worth it. Always observe what tools you can use to maximize uptime, and not as an emergency button. If you know the scripts that well you shouldn't need an emergency button use from say between the lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    Terrible dps wont wipe the run, because they didn't design casual content assuming everyone would parse it. That means no dps checks and no enrages. when DPS can wipe the run, like in ex and savage you do get a lot of griping, kicks, and disbands.

    It's mostly because casual content is so trivial that we don't see more problems. It's not really the good naturedness of the raiders, because believe me, we see you complain in FCs and on forums about others, when the content is 100% optional and only attracts some people.
    Half the time those players complaining are nowhere near as good as they perceive themselves. About a month ago, I got talked down to and told how "shit" I was by a SAM with a 1,000 less DPS than my NIN. And they were actually a higher ilvl.

    Will you get asshole raiders? Of course. Just like you get asshole casual players. A parse won't suddenly make a normally decent person into a raging jerk. They already were one to begin with. The only difference is they can't outright mention your DPS.
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  6. #396
    Player RiyahArp's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    Haukke HM? The big bomb in Brayflox HM? Keeper of the Lake? The Vault? Sohr Khai? Castum Abania? Ala Mhigo?!
    That means no dps checks and no enrages. when DPS can wipe the run,

    None of them really are dps checks of any stature, where bad dps wipes it. You need afk dps to wipe on all of those. Those are all phase changes for variety's sake honestly, with the way the game has been for 3 years. Even with the harder HW rotations, no one really wipes on the vault's orb phase, or tioman's wings from low dps. I feel they are built assuming people are learning their jobs, not expected to know them. All it takes is a limit break if people struggle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Half the time those players complaining are nowhere near as good as they perceive themselves.
    Everyone complains, not everyone does it openly. They do it in FC, or on forum threads, or in discord, or link. It's not because people are good that it isn't worse, its that most people can achieve what they want quickly enough that it never needs to go past that. If we ever saw a difficulty spike that blocked people from content a lot more, we'd get the Feast in PvE, in other words. (the block was matchmaking and the huge curve to heal it, imo)
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  7. #397
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    Terrible dps wont wipe the run, because they didn't design casual content assuming everyone would parse it. That means no dps checks and no enrages. when DPS can wipe the run, like in ex and savage you do get a lot of griping, kicks, and disbands.

    It's mostly because casual content is so trivial that we don't see more problems. It's not really the good naturedness of the raiders, because believe me, we see you complain in FCs and on forums about others, when the content is 100% optional and only attracts some people.
    Ummm but there are dps checks in dungeons and I’ve seen groups fail them sooo? Huh? I’m so confused by this?

    Bad dps can 100% wipe you on dps checks in dungeons. Last boss in Vault was a prime example.
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  8. #398
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaloraYuki View Post
    Ummm but there are dps checks in dungeons and I’ve seen groups fail them sooo? Huh? I’m so confused by this?
    This is actually true. And the only times anything even resembling an enrage show up in casual content, it's bombed so badly that people either cheese it, or demand that it's nerfed.

    See: the Tear in the Chrysalis fight, or Steps of Faith.
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  9. #399
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaloraYuki View Post
    Ummm but there are dps checks in dungeons and I’ve seen groups fail them sooo? Huh? I’m so confused by this?

    Bad dps can 100% wipe you on dps checks in dungeons. Last boss in Vault was a prime example.
    Wait, people can fail the dps checks?

    I can almost beat the check on my AST alone. How little can people actually do and make it so far?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jijifli View Post
    Wait, people can fail the dps checks?

    I can almost beat the check on my AST alone. How little can people actually do and make it so far?
    The answer to this question is evident and very sad. Just look at all the people who don't even read tool tips or understand the core theme of their jobs.

    There's a reason XIV is seen as an easy, hand-holding MMO by people who play others. XIV goes out of it's way to make sure that abysmal play isn't punished... until you get to certain end-game fights where a parser is all but required. And that's where a lot of people get a rude awakening and think parsing is the problem.
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