Letter to MR Yoshi: Why parses system is destroying the ffxiv world.

[Sigma-Astra]

Sadly, Yoshida only threw gasoline on that fire. I'd have to dig for the exact quote but he basically said he wants veteran players to "pick up the slack for those struggling." Now I suspect he meant people still learning, not simply players who couldn't give a damn except to show up. Of course, people are going to run with a comment like that.

The classic "You don't pay my sub" probably stemmed from that nonsense.

[Paladinleeds]

The classic "You don't pay my sub" probably stemmed from that nonsense.

oh yeah, and as a result, it's now created a real situation in which petrol (or diesel, dependent on your choice of fuel) is being thrown on by both sides and it has ultimately reached a stalemate. Now, for those struggling (i.e. still learning, or at their performance cap due to disabilities etc), I say "Yes, do support them and pick up the slack!" - especially as someone with a disability myself, if someone is worse off than me due to disability, I will do the best I can to support them. I've also spent more money than I probably should on tools to help me out (such as an MMO mouse to help me more easily and accurately hit abilities, mostly - I do sometimes still fatfinger the wrong key, damn it Razer!), because you know what, I do need to get better. Anything that'll help me bridge that gap, is a worthy investment...

Basically, if you're struggling/learning but trying your best, I'll do my best to cover the slack and bridge the gap, perhaps mentoring you if I can. If you're just an "I don't care about others, I play how I want" person, then I'm going to be pretty peeved. I don't advocate for watching guides in learning parties, I don't see that as required (as people should get the chance to learn blind IMO). But in farm parties, I expect a basic level of competence outside of mitigating circumstances such as disability. For example let's say we had a colour based mechanic and a colour-blind member. Yeah, they can't help that. I'll help them pick up the slack. We'll work around that no issues.

[Ranetsu-Akagane]

Sorry guys we can't have parsers in game, don't you know they insult everyone and their living room sofa? Jokes aside, I don't see the harm in adding an official one.Would be nice if players on PS4 could have access to one as well.

[KisaiTenshi]

Sorry guys we can't have parsers in game, don't you know they insult everyone and their living room sofa? Jokes aside, I don't see the harm in adding an official one.Would be nice if players on PS4 could have access to one as well.

Not going to happen since people won't behave and would end up making the game's regular content competitive in aspects that are completely irrelevant.

The fact is, fflogs makes money off people obsessively checking their irrelevant stats. You don't need the tools to play the content, and anyone telling anyone else they have to use the tools, is a bad player to begin with.

Privacy issues aside, SE needs to come up with a better tool themselves that provides the combat information from all content, and thus people won't rely on inaccurate hacking and data mining tools to to be asshats to other players. The real problem is that the existence of unauthorized tools gives the impression that things are a certain way, that is in fact, wrong. It could be accurate under some circumstances, and inaccurate under many other cases. But that real time DPS meter is completely unreliable, and the way fflogs actually operates is by spinning up cloud servers to parse data and thus they don't want to parse garbage from bad players or stale content, as it costs them money.

SE clearly has the combat data, and a way to play it back, that's what the duty recorder apparently does. However the way it's implemented is basically useless because it's not as useful and immediate as the unauthorized tools people are already using.

[Ranetsu-Akagane]

Not going to happen since people won't behave and would end up making the game's regular content competitive in aspects that are completely irrelevant.

The fact is, fflogs makes money off people obsessively checking their irrelevant stats. You don't need the tools to play the content, and anyone telling anyone else they have to use the tools, is a bad player to begin with.

Privacy issues aside, SE needs to come up with a better tool themselves that provides the combat information from all content, and thus people won't rely on inaccurate hacking and data mining tools to to be asshats to other players. The real problem is that the existence of unauthorized tools gives the impression that things are a certain way, that is in fact, wrong. It could be accurate under some circumstances, and inaccurate under many other cases. But that real time DPS meter is completely unreliable, and the way fflogs actually operates is by spinning up cloud servers to parse data and thus they don't want to parse garbage from bad players or stale content, as it costs them money.

SE clearly has the combat data, and a way to play it back, that's what the duty recorder apparently does. However the way it's implemented is basically useless because it's not as useful and immediate as the unauthorized tools people are already using.

When I did Haukke manor (I think that is how it's spelled?) for the first time I was tanking it. We got ready to start and the Dragoon and healer ran off and pulled everything I tried to get aggro as fast as I could, once I had aggro on things the healer said they would not bother healing me as I was a waste of mp. The dragoon told me to do everyone who plays a favor and uninstall the game. I was also told to kill myself 5 times. The insults just kept coming (some I can't even say here) I ended up leaving the dungeon ,I have bad anxiety and I was literally shaking. I got a friend request not too long after the dungeon, it was the black mage that was in the party. They made an alt on my server to check on me and tried to calm me down. I reported the 2 players, and me and the black mage talked for a while and I managed to finally calm down. I've never had anyone talk to me that way in a mmo before.

Why am I bringing this up? because that mage was an end game raider from the cactuar server, she also uses parsers. My point is not everyone who uses parsers does so to hurt someone. The people who had me so shaken up did not use a parser to harass me they just used the normal chat we all use. Can people honestly say that black mage was toxic and elitist just because she used a parser, she went out of her way to check on me, but going by what some are saying in this thread just because she uses a parser or raids she is toxic and an elitist.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Not going to happen since people won't behave and would end up making the game's regular content competitive in aspects that are completely irrelevant.

You seem to be neglecting the fact we can already do this if we're so toxic. They only difference is we can eject someone from the party without a word said under the nebulous term, "difference of playstyle."

And yet... this rarely happens. If wanton abuse was going to happen, why hasn't it? Why aren't people getting kicked left and right from DF for their terrible DPS? Why are good raiders putting up with 4k DPS SAM while pugging a weekly clear? No! It couldn't... it couldn't possibly be your doom and gloom scenario is little beyond a figment of your bias and this abuse doesn't actually happen? My god!

[SargentToughie]

Not going to happen since people won't behave and would end up making the game's regular content competitive in aspects that are completely irrelevant.

The fact is, fflogs makes money off people obsessively checking their irrelevant stats. You don't need the tools to play the content, and anyone telling anyone else they have to use the tools, is a bad player to begin with.

Privacy issues aside, SE needs to come up with a better tool themselves that provides the combat information from all content, and thus people won't rely on inaccurate hacking and data mining tools to to be asshats to other players. The real problem is that the existence of unauthorized tools gives the impression that things are a certain way, that is in fact, wrong. It could be accurate under some circumstances, and inaccurate under many other cases. But that real time DPS meter is completely unreliable, and the way fflogs actually operates is by spinning up cloud servers to parse data and thus they don't want to parse garbage from bad players or stale content, as it costs them money.

SE clearly has the combat data, and a way to play it back, that's what the duty recorder apparently does. However the way it's implemented is basically useless because it's not as useful and immediate as the unauthorized tools people are already using.

And here's your daily reminder, dear readers: Kisai is exaggerating to an extreme degree, parsers and FFlogs as they currently stand vary about 100ish DPS at the most.

Don't be fooled by the toxic casual propaganda, know the facts.

[Sigma-Astra]

Honestly, let's not pretend that raiders who already parse don't suffer from others who also parse, but those in particular may also have their heads up their butts as well. Plenty of people I know of, myself included, have gotten flack from people who DO parse and people that DON'T. There's no completely good nor evil side as both have various shades of people in them. I'm sub-average in Savage, but much better in EX trials and 24-raids mostly....the train on BLM is just rough for me for some reason.

The painting is easier and I've been trying to figure out how to squeeze more damage.

[Jijifli]

Not going to happen since people won't behave and would end up making the game's regular content competitive in aspects that are completely irrelevant.

I don't need a parser to say that you're bad. And in Ranetsu's case, I don't need a parser to try and tell you to kill yourself.

It's the player, not the application. And can I ask, what is so scary about seeing yourself not doing as good as someone else. For like... literally all but 1 person, there's going to always be someone ahead. Do you wanna hide that fact, and just intentionally play poorly because you can't be bothered, or do you want to see it, work on it, improve yourself. Become great at it, maybe inspire someone to feel the same?

Plus using the site these get uploaded to, parsers tell a LOT more than just your dps numbers. It's also telling me how often I'm sitting on cooldowns, what's specifically killing who to improve on fixing that, my active time on spells, etc etc. You wanna hide this information because poor Jimmy got told in expert roulette he can't be an ice mage?

[SaitoHikari]

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You keep disappearing from threads and reappearing ~10 pages/1 entire day later while ignoring everyone that asked you questions beforehand. Why is that?

You still haven't answered this question, by the way.

I can clear O8S with or without my parser turned on. If I cleared it with a parser turned off and cleared it again with a parser turned on, what actual difference would a parser provide in the latter that actually constitutes cheating?