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    SargentToughie's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hestzhyen View Post
    Please think of the poor souls who can't handle criticism and just want to mash buttons FOR FUN. It would break their little hearts if they had to face the fact that they might be the reason for slow runs and cranky teammates!

    In all seriousness, for a game that is so focused on damage output that even optimal healers and tanks do as much DPS as they possibly can, it's ridiculous to not let people know how much damage they're doing. It actually presents a minor barrier to console players trying to get into end-game if they don't have a friendly PC bro to help them out... and to the innocents on both versions who want to try Savage and get the cold shoulder because they don't know how bad they are since they've never seen it quantified. SE refusing to acknowledge the results of their own game design and MMO culture in general isn't doing them or players any favor here. Make it an optional, personal only display if there are concerns about abuse.
    It's basically impossible to actually get any meaningful feedback about your performance without some kind of outside help. Want to learn your rotation or a good flow for your job? Look up a community guide. Want to learn how good your damage is relative to your peers? Better hope you have some friends that were able to set up a 3rd party program that openly discussing about violates the ToS.

    The closest thing we have to any kind of meaningful damage metric in this game is Stone, Sea, Sky. That took years to come out, doesn't tell anybody anything about their job, and is so devoid of mechanics that even wasting your time hitting a dummy does nothing to tell you how well you'll actually perform in the fight itself.
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    Soma Kagami
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    Quote Originally Posted by SargentToughie View Post
    It's basically impossible to actually get any meaningful feedback about your performance without some kind of outside help. Want to learn your rotation or a good flow for your job? Look up a community guide. Want to learn how good your damage is relative to your peers? Better hope you have some friends that were able to set up a 3rd party program that openly discussing about violates the ToS.

    The closest thing we have to any kind of meaningful damage metric in this game is Stone, Sea, Sky. That took years to come out, doesn't tell anybody anything about their job, and is so devoid of mechanics that even wasting your time hitting a dummy does nothing to tell you how well you'll actually perform in the fight itself.
    Another problem with the Stone, Sea, and Sky dummies is that they have significantly higher HP or vitality to make up for the fact that you're not doing mechanics or dodging mechanics, you're standing in one spot and going through motions fluidly that the REAL fights would beg to have you do. So, the HP bar takes longer to whittle down than the actual boss.

    The dummies are "buffed" in that regard and will never be a good indicator for that and simply from what you said: no mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    Another problem with the Stone, Sea, and Sky dummies is that they have significantly higher HP or vitality to make up for the fact that you're not doing mechanics or dodging mechanics, you're standing in one spot and going through motions fluidly that the REAL fights would beg to have you do. So, the HP bar takes longer to whittle down than the actual boss.

    The dummies are "buffed" in that regard and will never be a good indicator for that and simply from what you said: no mechanics.
    Oh, and I forgot. You're sitting there hitting a dummy all by yourself, so jobs that rely on party members for their personal damage output (Monk and Dragoon) are gimped relative to other dummy hitters.
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    They should have it show in a results screen when the duty is cleared. Then do the F-S rank thing based on whether a player met baseline DPS/etc goals as intended for that content(call B rank the standard level). If they perform below it it plays a sad trombone sort of tune for them and their rolls on drops are reduced to the same % as their below-standard score.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Limecat View Post
    They should have it show in a results screen when the duty is cleared. Then do the F-S rank thing based on whether a player met baseline DPS/etc goals as intended for that content(call B rank the standard level). If they perform below it it plays a sad trombone sort of tune for them and their rolls on drops are reduced to the same % as their below-standard score.
    You mean like the "Grade E" music from Sonic Unleashed?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yODLkaF8F-Y
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