[dev1251] Penalty for using market search feature

[PrettyPrincess]

It can definitely pose as one especially with attempting higher tiers. A botched materia results in complete loss. I've seen people lose millions in attempting forbidden materia.

2 mil trying to double socket healers hand and probably about 3 mil trying to double socket magic crit. no success. fml ; ;

[TheVedis]

2 mil trying to double socket healers hand and probably about 3 mil trying to double socket magic crit. no success. fml ; ;

but that gil isnt lost
only the "tax" the wards charged for selling the materia or items if they werent all self made is


the gil is only transfered to other players



imposing a tax for laziness(which is what this is) will take out that much more gil that much quicker

cuz lets face facts, people are lazy
i for one will still run to the npcs, but most people wont

[CalypsoRose]

but that gil isnt lost
only the "tax" the wards charged for selling the materia or items if they werent all self made is


the gil is only transfered to other players



imposing a tax for laziness(which is what this is) will take out that much more gil that much quicker

cuz lets face facts, people are lazy
i for one will still run to the npcs, but most people wont

Help me understand that a bit more lol. Yes the gil is simply transferred, but technically I would be carrying, (let's say materia) valued at that amount. I lose it in an attempt to forbidden materia and then that item is gone from existence and that value is gone from the economy. This is sincere Thev.

[TheVedis]

Help me understand that a bit more lol. Yes the gil is simply transferred, but technically I would be carrying, (let's say materia) valued at that amount. I lose it in attempt to forbidden materia and then that item is gone from existence and that value is gone from the economy for good. This is sincere Thev lol.

there is 100mil gil in the economy

you have 10mil, other players have 90mil

you buy 10 materias for 10mil gil total

10mil gil is NOT removed from the economy, only transfered to other players(minus the 5% tax on their sales, so lets say 500k was removed)


so you may value your materia at a certain ammount, but your materia is not actual gil

the other players do however have your gil minus that tax

so by spending 10mil gil, you lost 10mil, but only 500k was actualy removed from the economy

[CalypsoRose]

there is 100mil gil in the economy

you have 10mil, other players have 90mil

you buy 10 materias for 10mil gil total

10mil gil is NOT removed from the economy, only transfered to other players(minus the 5% tax on their sales, so lets say 500k was removed)


so you may value your materia at a certain ammount, but your materia is not actual gil

the other players do however have your gil minus that tax

so by spending 10mil gil, you lost 10mil, but only 500k was actualy removed from the economy

I sort of understand that lol. Where I'm getting confused is I understand buying a item for X amount and losing a certain amount to the tax. I have that item though and can sell it when done with it. The forbidden materia example is where I need some convincing, that's gil paid, and when attempted and lost is gone for good. I know longer hold an item of value. Every item that can be sold holds some gil value. Whether or not I drop it, sell it, npc it is up to me. Btw this topic has gone all over the place lol.

[TheVedis]

I sort of understand that lol. Where I'm getting confused is I understand buying a item for X amount and losing a certain amount to the tax. I have that item though and can sell it when done with it. The forbidden materia example is where I need some convincing, that's gil paid, and when attempted and lost is gone for good. I know longer hold an item of value. Every item that can be sold holds some gil value. Whether or not I drop it, sell it, npc it is up to me. Btw this topic has gone all over the place lol.

forbidden materia is still gil paid to ANOTHER PLAYER
as i said, it doesnt remove the gil from the game, only from your inventory, into another players



items in the economy isnt the issue, its gil itself people are looking at
if you want to count gil value of items, then its value is only what it can be vendored for. so you lost those materia and those items, which you paid 2mil for it, you really only removed 40k gil from taxes when you did so, and maybe 20k more gil from the value of the items to a vendor(which really doesnt count)

[Arcell]

I sort of understand that lol. Where I'm getting confused is I understand buying a item for X amount and losing a certain amount to the tax. I have that item though and can sell it when done with it. The forbidden materia example is where I need some convincing, that's gil paid, and when attempted and lost is gone for good. I know longer hold an item of value. Every item that can be sold holds some gil value. Whether or not I drop it, sell it, npc it is up to me. Btw this topic has gone all over the place lol.

Right it does remove an item(s) from the game but gil itself is not removed. The actual amount of gil that item is worth is not removed from the game when that item is destroyed. You see a personal loss of assets but no actual gil is lost. Materia requires no money to make, no money to slot and no money to trade (selling is a different matter). As such it does not require any gil to be removed from the system.