Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[Nandina]

I don't think people are disagreeing with idea of having those features, just the OP's way of expressing her desire for such.

Sorry to say but this game, or any game for that matter, doesn't need to be diverse or inclusive to anyone. This is a work of fiction and in being such can be whatever the creator intends it to be. Just because SE is marketing the game outside of Japan doesn't mean they need to cater anyone. It's their product to do with as they please just like it's your money to support said product. It's called the free market for a reason. Just because other games may have "more diverse options" doesn't mean this game has to have them.

They’re inclusive to the incompetents who can’t stance dance or dodge circles or straight lines. They sure have no problems nerfing jobs or content for them when they speak up. They sure have no problems listening to the community and complying in a gazillion other instances. If everyone else can complain and get changes, so can I and anyone else who wants to be heard. But overall, I agree with what you’re saying for the most part. But a lot of people on this forum have the tendency to come up with a justification for every little thing SE does (right or wrong) like they’re getting a monthly check, a blunt, and good D on the side. Only a few people gave somewhat decent counter arguments.

I shouldn’t have to baby grown people or even teenagers potentially, this isn’t kindergarten. My tone shouldn’t override the points. Get snippy back. That’s fine. But get snippy with a point,

I haven't addressed valkyrie at all. Matter of fact, the only people I've responded to were you and Magic-Mal. I'm responding to you because you are the OP. The thing is, you say you want to hit at least hit the dart board... But you can. Hyur and Roes can... I've done it before I settled on Au Ra. Hairstyle is another issue that's not necessarily about race... More like, the devs probably just settled on hairstyles inspired by previous FF games, contests, and whatever probably felt popular. We all already know the nightmare in trying to get more hairstyles. You turned this into a racial thing when you initially said that the creation tools we had leans towards Caucasian aesthetics. You set that tone and everybody is reacting to that. I'm not everybody. But I do disagree about the whole underrepresentation thing that you keep claiming.

Because it does lean toward Caucasian aesthetics. So, stating facts are a problem now? I shouldn’t have to sugarcoat and lie to spare feelings. It is what it is. As it pertains to Valkyrie, you responded to my responses to them, but took issue with my responses to them, yet not their comments which made me respond that way in the first place. Therefor it’s safe to assume you didn’t see anything wrong with what they were saying.

But any event, a Roe is not a human. Why do I have to be some beastly creature to get representation? I’m not sure if this is your intent, but saying that I have to be a Roe to be a decent looking black person in the game sounds kinda fucked.

As a black person, I only create black characters unless there’s no option for it. Personally, it just makes me feel more comfortable playing something kinda like myself. While I would appreciate more ‘black’ hairstyles, it’s not a race issue. SE has been rather bad at adding a wide range of hairstyles overall.

Even though a game is fiction, so are other games, and they still manage to have a wide variety of styles - including some ‘black’ ones. Nevertheless I wouldn’t go around chanting that there’s purposely under-representation.

I never said it was purposely. Like I said above in my department store example, I honestly don’t think they’re aware of this desire. The game has been out for a while, so I figured this wouldn’t have been a thing at this point. They did a lot of changes to the battle system

OP, did you just look at Hyur midlander? I'd recommend female highlander, some of their character options have nice dark skintones, and some of the face options have decent sized lips. Sadly until they add more options, we gotta make the best with what we've got I have to agree though, and it's not just ffxiv, some of the dark skin tones look... weird, or off, I noticed that's it's the way the lighting is in some games (having played redguard in Skyrim). Have you tried using reshade within ffxiv? Tweaking that might improve skin tone.

I checked both and the problem was the same. I don’t want to be a Highlander cause I find them far too burly, but the issues I’m talking about apply all the same. Like I can go dark, very dark actually, but I can’t really be in the middle. When I went very dark, there was still only either red tones or blue tones; no yellow or olive, which I’m pretty certain is why the skin looks funny. Like in real life, if I put a foundation on that matches my skin color, but has the wrong undertone, it looks funny. There too many duplicates of the same color and undertone. What is Reshade though, and where do I find it? I play on PS4 and came back to the game like a week or so ago, so I’m not sure if that’s on there or just PC only.

XD HAHHA... life lesson Japanese companies only care about Japanese markets, they may advertise to global market but only consider themselves a failure if it fails in Japan. Much like mainly SE only make changes if the JP player-base is largely complaining, rarely do they do things when its the global players complaining.

Also it's a fantasy game & FF series is well known for being European in design of it's various worlds as most games are typically in medieval like times thus all knights & architecture design looking very European & comparing this to other MMOs is awful every MMO is varied in what focus on & what the CAN focus on, the XIV don't have liberties to add tonne of stuff without doing major overhaul to game on side which would take a resources/another team to fix if want keep XIV running at same time so expect 0 changes to character creator anytime soon.
This problem left to us of them just building off of 1.0 instead building from ground up.

It'd be nice have ton more options as big fan of character creators like BDO/Souls etc love more options but.. its just never going happen.

Clearly, lol. But to be fair, there were darker skinned people in Europe around those times like the Moors. Darker skinned people are depicted in paintings and everything. But I would just assume that with such a large player base, the funds are there. But you’re probably right, it probably won’t ever happened, but at least it’s been put out there.

On another note, I noticed a lack ginger people as well! And curly/wavy non-african hairstyles. Those people are also left out.

I agree about that as well. But I’m glad you see where I’m coming from.

Got to love when someone brings real life into a fantasy game. It never was or it should be depiction of real life, but remain fantasy. Yes to more options for hairstyles and overall , but to start a non issue and force your 'idea' on others and then wonder why people react and still putting more wood to the fire.

But i see this trend is trying to enforce ideology and ruin even this media , 'truly thank you' .

And where exactly are these people not found in the game or the option? Again, this is not Earth, it's Eorzea and no one said anything about not having certain palette of color . These are not races so stop with the race bait.

And this right here is the remedial mindset I’m speaking of. Sorry, but you have to get this work. A non-issue to you, isn’t a non-issue to others. If you were to get a leg chopped off, that doesn’t change the fact I still have both of mine. Explain exactly how having the OPTION to customize a character a certain way means that you HAVE to do it? Common sense dictates you could, I dunno. . . stay as you are, perhaps? But explain to me what you interpret this “ideology” to be. Some of you really dig your own hole when all you really have to do is keep quiet on the matter if you have nothing productive to say. How are extra customization options that are more than just hairstyles ruining the game? Seems to me you’re trying to force your idea that fantasy can’t be inspired from reality, and that just because you’re happy with the way things are; others have to be, too.