Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[Lord_Umbra]

It's not moot. SE shouldn't market it outside of Japan, and want subscribers outside of Japan if they aren't willing to represent their subscriber base. FFXIV should just be a strictly Japanese MMO.

XD HAHHA... life lesson Japanese companies only care about Japanese markets, they may advertise to global market but only consider themselves a failure if it fails in Japan. Much like mainly SE only make changes if the JP player-base is largely complaining, rarely do they do things when its the global players complaining.

Also it's a fantasy game & FF series is well known for being European in design of it's various worlds as most games are typically in medieval like times thus all knights & architecture design looking very European & comparing this to other MMOs is awful every MMO is varied in what focus on & what the CAN focus on, the XIV don't have liberties to add tonne of stuff without doing major overhaul to game on side which would take a resources/another team to fix if want keep XIV running at same time so expect 0 changes to character creator anytime soon.
This problem left to us of them just building off of 1.0 instead building from ground up.

It'd be nice have ton more options as big fan of character creators like BDO/Souls etc love more options but.. its just never going happen.

[Seig345]

Hyurs are not Humans.

Hydaelyn is not Earth.

This is not the real life, it is in fact just Final Fantasy.

Otherwise, every individual who wants their character to look exactly like them has a valid argument for character creation options to match them simply because they want it. Can’t make everyone happy all of the time, which means sometimes you find yourself in the unhappy group.

[Tsumdere]

Some of you all really struggle to follow along. No wonder many can’t grasp moving out of red circles and to not spam Blizzard. I could’ve swore I said Hyur in the OP, and that’s what most have been discussing. Do try to keep up.

Well aren't you rude. I was just poking in jest, but ya really gotta insinuate we're stupid and you're not.

Most people are on board with wanting more natural and wavy hair. That would be really nice. Almost all of my characters are black and I would kill for some curls to go with them. But, you made it into some sort of weird pseudo-race war thing. That's where you've lost people, including myself.

Don't get pissy when a single fictional race in a fictional world doesn't conform to real life. You can make beautiful dark skinned people from almost all the races in this game. Different faces have different structures, just like there is one Miqo'te face that has full lips that is very nice. If you wanna cry about diversity, try not being a pasty white moon cat and play in character creation a little longer.

Edit :

Something I whipped up in character creation in about 5 minutes to prove a point. She's very nice and I actually might use this face set up for a future character.

[Catwho]

You can make beautiful dark skinned people from almost all the races in this game. Different faces have different structures, just like there is one Miqo'te face that has full lips that is very nice.

Yep, I used that set. I'm extremely happy with how my character turned out. In a sea of pasty white catgirls, I've got a tabby cat with serious tortitude.

[Burmecia]

Something I whipped up in character creation in about 5 minutes to prove a point. She's very nice and I actually might use this face set up for a future character.

Oooh! <3
I'm gonna REVERSE engineer this for my own use, she looks so delightful.

edit: stopid typo QQ

[Tsumdere]

Oooh! <3
I'm gonna sever engineer this for my own use, she looks so delightful.

Thanks! She's actually one of my alts right now, so I can grab the settings for you if you haven't figured it out already.

[KaivaC]

It's not moot. SE shouldn't market it outside of Japan, and want subscribers outside of Japan if they aren't willing to represent their subscriber base. FFXIV should just be a strictly Japanese MMO.

See, with this statement right here, it lets me know that you feel it's a race issue, when it's really not. This is a non issue. If you want to achieve a certain look, you have the options to do so. Limited options, yes, but it is still possible to get a look that your hoping could be representative

[Magic-Mal]

I think some of you are giving the OP a bit of a hard time for something not very complicated at all. While I wouldn't be opposed to more "African" features, I know they won't ever make it here because Yoshida said the character creator won't be updated any time soon. So we can lay that to rest. The lack of any kinky hairstyles is noticable and I think asking for more after this many years is a perfectly valid request.

We can start with making the Elezen female Fade cut, Midlander Frohawk, and Dreadlocks on female characters for all races and genders. There is no reason why men can't have locks. There is no reason why only Elezen women can cut their hair. There is no reason why only Midlanders can have a Frohawk when every race can have an Afro. Do away with these weird restrictions first and foremost, it would go a long way into making black-looking characters. Once that's dealt with what's the harm in adding more tightly twisted braids, cornrows, or a more shaggy haircut with kinky hair to the sea of straight hair we get in every single patch? Seriously. I get that 80% of the game is "white" but hey, it's difficult to make a "black" character so that could be why you don't see them as much.

Also, and most curiously, there ARE black people in Eorzea, plenty of them. I'm not sure why so many are saying or implying that they aren't in the game. I don't know what you guys are looking at. There are many black and "decidedly black" NPCs in game already. Sawney, that Gold Saucer guy with the gambler outfit, a completely random Skinchange GATE female NPC, many many NPCs in Gyr Abania which I'm guessing is where they come from, and I feel pretty certain that Raubahn is a black guy. Or "decidedly black". I'm not just talking about dark characters either because I know the "tan" excuse. I'm talking about the daarrk Hyur NPCs. The game lacks customization so it doesn't show it very well, it's no different than people from Othard(Asians clearly) looking straight up white. Devs had no issues adding Asian hairstyles though <.<.

In the end, I think people should lighten up a bit about this as there are no lore reasons against black people existing(they already do) and Yoshi still adds hairstyles. Give it a chance instead of trying to say it's political or that "we don't need it because this isn't Earth". Kugane obviously isn't Japanese. Those aren't Japanese people! Silly me. Ala Mhigo certainly isn't Middle Eastern. And Ishgard CERTAINLY isn't European. Give me a break.. let's not be sooo technical.

And lastly as a black person myself, I'd love to see more hairstyles compatible with a black character design opened up.

[KaivaC]

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The problem that I'm positive that a lot of people are currently having with the OP is that they directed this thread into a racial issue. The very first response they made here included this statement:

But I’m sure you’re represented and have no problems with the game reflecting you in real life, just not others

They started off fine, but when something like this is said, they are just inviting themselves to criticism over an unnecessary response.

[Magic-Mal]

They started off fine, but when something like this is said, they are just inviting themselves to criticism over an unnecessary response.

This is all going to be assumption on my part but I feel I understand why they responded in that way. To me it's simple. They're just retaliating. They ask for something they are obviously passionate about when it comes to character creation and it gets veritably shot down by pretty much everyone. So it doesn't surprise me that the response, by presumably a black person, got hostile and defensive quickly as the initial response. Granted it's not the best way to respond, I wouldn't have done the same, but it's understandable. To me. You should try to look a tad more into the why's and how's of their responses.