Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[Limonia]

Alright, so you said you wanted to make a female Midlander Hyur that looks like a black person. I'm all for more options, but lore-wise Hyurs just aren't supposed to look like real world black people. Their aesthetics are mostly based on Europeans. Yes, there are a few black Hyur NPCs, but maybe they are supposed to be half Highlander or something like that? You also have to see it from an in-game lore perspective. For example, Highlanders (yes, you wanted to make a Midlander, I've read that) are the ones that have more options to make them look like black people and there are many black NPCs in Gyr Abania.

It's the same if you wanted to make an East Asian looking character. Au Ra just look a little Asian or at least anime-like no matter what you do, even if you wanted to make them white. But other than that, it's not so easy to make a really Asian looking character with most races. You can see that with the Doman and Hingan NPCs. Most of them just look white. There are some features for Hyur that are a little bit more Asian, but at the same time there are also the features that make them look a little more black.

So, actually, lore-wise, it would even make more sense to first give Midlanders more Asian features than black features, because Midlanders live in an Asia inspired region of the in-game world. At the same time it would make more sense to give Highlanders more black features and maybe even Sunseeker Miqo'te because there seem to be many that have dark skin.

You maybe can't make a black Hyur girl that looks truly black, but you can with Highlanders and Roegadyn for example. You also can't make Asian Highlanders, but you can make Asian Au Ra. There are multiple races in FFXIV. You can't make every real world "race" with every of them, but there are some that work for that and some that don't. I think it's even better this way. Because why in the world should every in-game race be able to look white, black, Asian or whatever? The way it is it shows how the races come from different regions and different genetic backgrounds. Lore and immersion > real-life representation.

[Reinha]

As for the highlanders, I don’t want to look like a weight lifter, and many other black girls don’t either.

I'm not sure if you were wanting to make a black female or male character but at least the females can look quite soft if you move the muscle slider to zero. They are quite petite though but that one-body-fits-all issue is one we all have to deal with in this game.



Edit. Just read the OP again and it was indeed about female Hyurs.

[Joven]

They’re inclusive to the incompetents who can’t stance dance or dodge circles or straight lines. They sure have no problems nerfing jobs or content for them when they speak up. They sure have no problems listening to the community and complying in a gazillion other instances. If everyone else can complain and get changes, so can I and anyone else who wants to be heard. But overall, I agree with what you’re saying for the most part. But a lot of people on this forum have the tendency to come up with a justification for every little thing SE does (right or wrong) like they’re getting a monthly check, a blunt, and good D on the side. Only a few people gave somewhat decent counter arguments.

I shouldn’t have to baby grown people or even teenagers potentially, this isn’t kindergarten. My tone shouldn’t override the points. Get snippy back. That’s fine. But get snippy with a point,

Again it ultimately comes down to what SE wants to put in THEIR game whether you like it or not. And at no point have I seen anyone on here justifying SE's decisions, just pointing out that you have options. Also, maybe try not insulting people, it makes you seem arrogant and cheapens whatever argument you may have.

[Sigma-Astra]

I can't believe that the OP is still arguing about this.

And it'll probably still be here when I return from work around 4pm.

/smh

[Cirgellon]

Everyone who makes everything about race has a race problem...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Every time someone speaks out about something, the hive-mind always has to mention tumblr as if these conversations hadn’t existed before tumblr, lol. And pointing out where the game could do better and asking for more inclusivity is apparently idiocy. That’s not me being offended, that’s me informing SE to step it up. And if SE has a problem with that, they should let everyone know that and offer to refund our coins.

No, Tumblr just over-exaggerates or creates problems where there isn't one. You fall into that category, especially how you've taken it upon yourself to speak on behalf of everyone. Who made you the arbiter of race and supposed inclusivity? FFXIV has no inclusivity problem. You're simply looking to be offended, and speaking over other non-whitewho have also disagreed with you.

Apparently, you have a low tolerance for BS... yet you made this thread. Suppose you never said hypocritical BS.

[kikix12]

Appeal to ignorance fallacy. You can't use what you don't know to justify why something can or can't happen, because it literally proves nothing. Using your logic, I could say that the ultraviolet radiation could be the same as ours in real life to justify why we should get more differences, but that's a weak argument.

Congratulations. You are able to read something that doesn't even exist.

As in...I didn't write in any way, shape or form about anything at all related to you and your little quest for (fake) equality. I merely responded to a post in which a player showed curiosity or lack of understanding for the choices towards habitat of creatures of specific tones in the games lore, explaining why their surprise is not warranted.

Go and wage your war as you please. I am strictly against any kind of reverse discrimination in anything and everything at all. And I value a creative freedom above all else. This is the world that the developers wanted to make, that they envisioned. I may like it (and play it) or not like it (and not play it). I can like some of it (and play it giving suggestions). But I have absolutely no right to demand something for some ideological reason...that have zero to do with the game (or any game for the matter).

At the same time, I know that trying to argue these points is a waste of time...so yeah. Stick to it or leave it be...I couldn't care less. I won't discuss this with you or anyone else...nor did I do that. And that's that.

[alimdia]

I was in line with the suggestion until I read "Roes are not human". Oooookay buddy...

[KageTokage]

I think as far as the females go, Au Ra probably have the most diversity as far as the types of ethnic looks they can pull off with different facial features and skin tone.

It would've been nice if all of the races/genders had faces as varied as they do (Even male Au Ra feel pretty indistinct in this regard largely because of their eye shapes being very similar between their faces, save for the extremely unpopular "sad" face) because some of the original race/gender combos really suffer from same face syndrome.

[Joven]

I think as far as the females go, Au Ra probably have the most diversity as far as the types of ethnic looks they can pull off with different facial features and skin tone.

It would've been nice if all of the races/genders had faces as varied as they do (Even male Au Ra feel pretty indistinct in this regard largely because of their eye shapes being very similar between their faces, save for the extremely unpopular "sad" face) because some of the original race/gender combos really suffer from same face syndrome.

I think that's because Au Ra came much later so they had more flexibility with their design while all the other races were just ported over from 1.0