Please add matchmaking for HoH 31-100

[RiyahArp]

Pomenders were just as vital in PotD. If you didn't have a healthy stock of them going into floor 181, you were dead. Chimeras have long horrified PotD runners.

i don't remember needing to stock two kinds of kill the floor instantly pomanders there. You also have invisibility, weaken mob strength in the whole floor without reducing party dps, witching, sustain potions available from the get go, raising from the get go, and overall a lot more potent pomanders with less negative effects. I mean, petri pomander is essentially rage pomander for everyone, with no drawbacks like needing to dispel knockback first.

I think the pomanders are a bit much this time around.

[Malzian]

Supposedly the issue is the need for pomanders at the higher levels and pomanders do not follow a matched party between floors like they do with a fixed party. You are basically handicapping yourself for the latter floors if you were to go in with a matched party.

I also just thought of something else that would make this virtually impossible to clear above floor 81, and I've had it happen a few times... for those floors you really need a standard party of tank, healer and 2 DPS... going the DF route, if you queue as DPS you're MUCH more likely to get into a party with 3 other DPS - "I'm going to queue as BRD!" *Gets in a party with 3 other BRDS* "Well heck..." - and the higher floors with no tanking AND no healing is just asking to wipe.

[karionsiand]

As some ppl said, you can use party finder to match other people. Another thing... last HoH floors are supposed to be chalenging, so if you add matchmaking.... you will force Square-Enix to nerf 81-100.... so it loses its point. Remember that in a MMO not all content is for everyone. I think that ppl who can't be able to match people at party finder and just want the game to just do a few expert roulettes, some easy deep dungeon floors or some easy extreme primals, shouldn't ask to ruin the other content.... Ask matched party (and then ask for nerf cause 81-100 as matches are impossible)... it's like ask "make Ultimate easier, cause I can't complete it and i want my weaps"....

I think that Square-Enix has enough content for every kind of player, and even more... i think that square-enix should work on give us at least 2 deeps dungeons per expansion... and double raid bosses for savage... i mean 24 instead 12. Cause it lacks in "hard" content.

[Remedi]

The content is mostly fine as is, it has flaws but the needing of a fixed party to clear it isn't one of them

[karionsiand]

The content is mostly fine as is, it has flaws but the needing of a fixed party to clear it isn't one of them

Ok, so tell me. If you remove fixed party needing.... how you handle 81-100 without pommanders? I mean... 81-100 you could finish them even with almost time up even going full of pomanders, specially 81-90...

So, if you add match party for 81-90 and 95% of matched partys can't complete it and they cry because they can't ¿What is the solution?

[Ilyrian]

As some ppl said, you can use party finder to match other people. Another thing... last HoH floors are supposed to be chalenging, so if you add matchmaking.... you will force Square-Enix to nerf 81-100.... so it loses its point. Remember that in a MMO not all content is for everyone. I think that ppl who can't be able to match people at party finder and just want the game to just do a few expert roulettes, some easy deep dungeon floors or some easy extreme primals, shouldn't ask to ruin the other content.... Ask matched party (and then ask for nerf cause 81-100 as matches are impossible)... it's like ask "make Ultimate easier, cause I can't complete it and i want my weaps"....
I think that Square-Enix has enough content for every kind of player, and even more... i think that square-enix should work on give us at least 2 deeps dungeons per expansion... and double raid bosses for savage... i mean 24 instead 12. Cause it lacks in "hard" content.

I see your point but - why exactly would the content have to be nerfed? I don't think the challenge of the final floors should be actually accessing them. I accept that it's *not that difficult* to get a matched party through PF but why should it be that way? Why have we got into this mentality in the first place?
I think we all assume that people would come to the forums (which by all accounts no one in SE seems to pay any attention to) and complain? So let people complain. Let them get better. Let them smash their faces against the content until they adapt.
We all like to complain that the median skill level in the game is pretty low - so why don't we challenge that by making people improve - if you only provide baseline content that you can sleep through then how is anyone ever going to get better?

I honestly don't think I've seen a 'nerf this content' post since the MSQ Shinryuu affair at the start of the xpac as that wasn't technically 'optional' content. I definitely haven't seen anyone asking for Ultimate or Savage nerfs for weapons - seeing as this game has very little gear progression or importance on stats for the majority of the content.

If the argument is that you can't guarantee a workable group through DF (e.g tank/healer/2 dps) then just set it up like a dungeon and only have that formation available.

[Remedi]

Ok, so tell me. If you remove fixed party needing.... how you handle 81-100 without pommanders? I mean... 81-100 you could finish them even with almost time up even going full of pomanders, specially 81-90...

So, if you add match party for 81-90 and 95% of matched partys can't complete it and they cry because they can't ¿What is the solution?

Mh? Did I wrote that wrong? I meant that needing a fixed party to clear the tower isn't an actual flaw of the system

[karionsiand]

I see you point but - why exactly would the content have to be nerfed? I don't think the challenge of the final floors should be actually accessing them. I accept that it's *not that difficult* to get a matched party through PF but why should it be that way? Why have we got into this mentality in the first place?
I think we all assume that people would come to the forums (which by all accounts no one in SE seems to pay any attention to) and complain? So let people complain. Let them get better. Let them smash there faces against the content until they adapt.
We all like to complain that the median skill level in the game is pretty low - so why don't we challenge that by making people improve - if you only provide baseline content that you can sleep though then how is anyone ever going to get better?

I honestly don't think I've seen a 'nerf this content' post since the MSQ Shinryuu affair at the start of the xpac as that wasn't technically 'optional' content. I definitely haven't seen anyone asking for Ultimate or Savage nerfs for weapons - seeing as this game has very little gear progression or importance on stats for the majority of the content.

If the argument is that you can't guarantee a workable group through DF (e.g tank/healer/2 dps) then just set it up like a dungeon and only have that formation available.

The thing that you are saying... it's enough for a entire new topic to speak about median skill level in this game, and specially the player base efforts to improve as player... cause for so many ppl tends to zero or null.

[Ilyrian]

The thing that you are saying... it's enough for a entire new topic to speak about median skill level in this game, and specially the player base efforts to improve as player... cause for so many ppl tends to zero or null.

True - but this 'gating' content is basically SE saying: 'you're all rubbish now deal with it' - 'you all can't cope with this and will complain'. Instead of just putting content out there and letting it be.
It reminds me of the butchering they gave to FFIV (II) when they ported it to the US, because remember Americans were 'too stupid' to play the actual full game at the time.
Perhaps it's not that extreme, but it doesn't sit well that they're basically assuming how the player base will react.

[Ilyrian]

True - but this 'gating' content is basically SE saying: 'you're all rubbish now deal with it' - 'you all can't cope with this and will complain'. Instead of just putting content out there and letting it be.
It reminds me of the butchering they gave to FFIV (II) when they ported it to the US, because remember Americans were 'too stupid' to play the actual full game at the time.
Perhaps it's not that extreme, but it doesn't sit well that they're basically assuming how the player base will react.

Edit. Just to add I'm not against keeping Ultimate behind an OS4 gate - that kind of progression I appreciate and see it as actual game progression. Make of that what you will >.<