I keep running into Astro running Shields in Farm PTs as a SCH. (Why?)

[Elamys]

its not like there is ANYTHING in game to tell you healer shields don't play nice together, considering regen effects seem to stack. I'm a new AST almost at 70 and I would have never known that my shields would mess with a scholar's shields, or that my shields weren't as powerful and I should want to swap to my regen affects instead.

It tells you on the tooltip that Noct shields don't stack with Galvanize. (actually looks like they changed it to say Adloquium specifically, which is...inaccurate, kind of)



Also, a lot of times my experience in this situation when you ask or explain is that the person doesn't respond at all or sometimes even just laughs in response. In high end content, they probably know what they're doing.

[Kurando]

The funny thing is that both Adlo and Succor state in the respective tooltips; "Effect cannot be stacked with Nocturnal Sect".
Yet like you just mentioned, for ASTs it only mentions Adlo and nothing about Succor even though they both give shields. You'd think they would update the AST tooltips to just say Galvanize rather than specifically Adlo.

[Elamys]

They said Galvanize in HW. I have no idea why they changed it to Adlo when that isn't even correct. Oh well.

[Mhiro]

The best solution at this point would probably be to update sects to knock the stance off when you enter a duty. This will allow the AST to realize they aren't in stance and choose accordingly based on their party because as an AST myself there are times when I heck up and forget to swap before the fights begin. We're lucky in the fact that we can still turn our sects on if we don't have one on after the fight has started. That'd be the best option to lower the 'accident' scenarios. Obviously, you might fat finger the wrong sect right as the tank pulls, but hey at least it's an idea.

As for the noodles who, for some reason, don't know how to play diurnal (when you literally leveled from 30-59 in nothing but diurnal), then ya'll need to quit and play SCH if all you want to do is shield. Don't like/too slow to understand the pet mechanics? Then suck it up and play WHM. Only playing AST for the pretty space witch costumes? Transfer to an RP server, play with your glamour dresser and never set foot in an 8-man duty again. There is literally no reason for anyone to play the game's most versatile healer while refusing to be adaptable (as being adaptable is a core mechanic of the whole freaking class).

[Nitro-Jasper-onyx]

It tells you on the tooltip that Noct shields don't stack with Galvanize. (actually looks like they changed it to say Adloquium specifically, which is...inaccurate, kind of)



Also, a lot of times my experience in this situation when you ask or explain is that the person doesn't respond at all or sometimes even just laughs in response. In high end content, they probably know what they're doing.

Like I said in my post, I'm new to AST, not 70 yet, and I don't have any other healer leveled, I'm not being snarky here, but how the hell is a person supposed to know the name of another classes shield spell? Like if it said "Effect cannot be stacked with other roles absorption effects" that would be a lot clearer to me.

[Brightamethyst]

They said Galvanize in HW. I have no idea why they changed it to Adlo when that isn't even correct. Oh well.

Probably because there's no actual spell called Galvanize and it was confusing everyone who didn't realize that's what the effect itself was called.

Like if it said "Effect cannot be stacked with other roles absorption effects" that would be a lot clearer to me.

That's not true though. AST and SCH shields can be stacked with other shield effects. Just not with themselves or each other. Divine Benison, Divine Veil, Shake It Off, etc all stack with AST/SCH shields.

[Nitro-Jasper-onyx]

That's not true though. AST and SCH shields can be stacked with other shield effects. Just not with themselves or each other. Divine Benison, Divine Veil, Shake It Off, etc all stack with AST/SCH shields.

Right, so clear as mud then. Which was kinda my point, knowing what silly name SE gave to the shield spell for another class to understand your classes tooltip is not that intuitive.

Embolden for example, it buff's YOUR magic damage and PHYSICAL damage of others. But its a ranged class AoE buff, that should be used while in melee so that the nearby melee members of your group get it...? Kinda confusing.

All I'm saying is that maybe, claiming everyone who does this is an idiot, is maybe a little premature because information like this; while simple if a person were to explain it to you, isn't presented to the player as being really meaningful, but can obviously effect the success of your raid / party whatever.

[Brightamethyst]

Right, so clear as mud then. Which was kinda my point, knowing what silly name SE gave to the shield spell for another class to understand your classes tooltip is not that intuitive.

To be fair, by the time you're at the point of regularly doing 8-man content it's not unreasonable to know a bit about how other jobs work.

[Elamys]

Like I said in my post, I'm new to AST, not 70 yet, and I don't have any other healer leveled, I'm not being snarky here, but how the hell is a person supposed to know the name of another classes shield spell? Like if it said "Effect cannot be stacked with other roles absorption effects" that would be a lot clearer to me.

It didn't take me very long in playing to notice that when I was with a scholar they were frequently casting a spell called "Adloquium" or "Succor" that applied a shield called "Galvanize" every time. You get Nocturnal Sect at level 50, you should be aware of a very basic part of your fellow healer's toolkits by then. For example you should also be aware that WHM frequently uses Regen by then. Even if you didn't know, it should become apparent pretty quick that every time you're with a Scholar, you two can't both use your shields.

I'm not going to get mad at an AST who genuinely wasn't aware, but this has never, ever, been the case for me, because every time I've pointed it out I've gotten either no response, or mocking.

Also, unless you boosted, you need to level as either WHM or SCH or something else all the way to Ishgard to even unlock AST so how someone manages to get all that way without knowing what Adlo/Succor/Galvanize are I'm not sure.

[Kurando]

Probably because there's no actual spell called Galvanize and it was confusing everyone who didn't realize that's what the effect itself was called.

But you know there is no spell called Nocturnal Field either, when you use your sect, the field comes from the spells Aspec Benefic or Aspec Helios, just like how Galvanize comes from Adlo/Succor. Ok granted it's a bit more obvious for AST seeing as Nocturnal is in both the Sect and Field names but then it doesn't say Diurnal Field when using Aspec Ben/Helios either so perhaps the wording is not perfect in every case, but Galvanize should be what appears on the tooltips.