HoH feedback

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

...if it's so good, let's add it to savage then. You have to do all four fights in one sitting, from tier 1 to tier 4, and you aren't allowed to swap members. I'll be nice and remove the "wiping once means you need to start the series from floor one" part. Can you see why it might be a burden for some people?

Except you don't have to do all 70 floors in 1 sitting.

You are adding another difficulty to savage, which is already hard. If you change where the floor saves are in HoH/PotD, by adding more, you basically remove any difficulty.

[MarniDawg]

...if it's so good, let's add it to savage then. You have to do all four fights in one sitting, from tier 1 to tier 4, and you aren't allowed to swap members. I'll be nice and remove the "wiping once means you need to start the series from floor one" part. Can you see why it might be a burden for some people?

Sounds like ultimate...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

...if it's so good, let's add it to savage then. You have to do all four fights in one sitting, from tier 1 to tier 4, and you aren't allowed to swap members. I'll be nice and remove the "wiping once means you need to start the series from floor one" part. Can you see why it might be a burden for some people?

They did this in A6S. You know, the tier practically every raider sings praise about. So...

Regardless, this comparison falls flat because you aren't required to do a full 100 run in a single setting. My static only two hours last week. Quite the dilemma! How could we possibly have managed. Oh. We rescheduled another day. Why is this such a herculean task if you aren't able to set aside 4-5 hours?

[HyoMinPark]

...if it's so good, let's add it to savage then. You have to do all four fights in one sitting, from tier 1 to tier 4, and you aren't allowed to swap members. I'll be nice and remove the "wiping once means you need to start the series from floor one" part. Can you see why it might be a burden for some people?

That’s basically what Ultimate is. We see how well-received it is by the raiders, so I don’t think they’ll complain much.

I guess dedicating a weekend, 2 hours a day for HoH Floor 100 clears is just too hard, then? You don’t have to do it all in one sitting, even with HoH taking significantly less time than PotD did. You are more than welcome to get a group of friends together and make a weekend of it: 2 or so hours on Saturday, another 2 or so on Sunday. Is that difficult?

[SinisterJoints]

...if it's so good, let's add it to savage then. You have to do all four fights in one sitting, from tier 1 to tier 4, and you aren't allowed to swap members. I'll be nice and remove the "wiping once means you need to start the series from floor one" part. Can you see why it might be a burden for some people?

And at this point, if they do it twice it means they want it to stick, so I doubt it iwll be changed.

Im game for this, but just so you know tier 1-4 takes maybe an 1.5 hours and thats for slow clears. I bet most farm groups get it done in less than an hour

[RiyahArp]

Well no, my point is that instead of just doing one floor for the night and pugging your last member because one of your DPS got called into work tonight, you don't have that option. You're stuck with your fixed party, whether it was pugged or not, and have to restart from floor one if you disband it. That would generally add a lot of time for doing runs, and be a fairly big inconvenience at times because you don't want to have to do the first two floors again just to practice on the second phase of the 3rd. I'm trying to show how the time burden can not be fun for people, especially in pugs or for a party whose last member can't always show up when you want to do it.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Well no, my point is that instead of just doing one floor for the night and pugging your last member because one of your DPS got called into work tonight, you don't have that option. You're stuck with your fixed party, whether it was pugged or not, and have to restart from floor one if you disband it. That would generally add a lot of time for doing runs, and be a fairly big inconvenience at times because you don't want to have to do the first two floors again just to practice on the second phase of the 3rd. I'm trying to show how the time burden can not be fun for people, especially in pugs or for a party whose last member can't always show up when you want to do it.

Statics already have this issue. many choose to reschedule over losing loot for people.

and its still not a black and white comparison. You say its the time issue, but the time part of HoH is part of the difficulty. we can remove the time part if you want, but only if it becomes savage difficulty. You'd still have issues clearing it, but due to how hard it is now, not how long it takes.

[HyoMinPark]

Well no, my point is that instead of just doing one floor for the night and pugging your last member because one of your DPS got called into work tonight, you don't have that option. You're stuck with your fixed party, whether it was pugged or not, and have to restart from floor one if you disband it. That would generally add a lot of time for doing runs, and be a fairly big inconvenience at times because you don't want to have to do the first two floors again just to practice on the second phase of the 3rd. I'm trying to show how the time burden can not be fun for people, especially in pugs or for a party whose last member can't always show up when you want to do it.

That’s when the static chooses to reschedule on a day where they can set aside the time necessary for the content. Because they already do that as it is rather than sacrificing loot.

Again, as I said repeatedly to you, you can set aside a weekend and clear HoH in ~2 hour periods on both days, and it’s not that difficult to find 2, 3, or 4 people that can do it within the same time frame. HoH takes 5 hours at the most to clear.

If you want to do gauntlet-style content, find reliable people. Go with your FC mates you can rely on. Or your friends. Talk to them and formulate a schedule for a weekend of deep dungeon fun. That shouldn’t be that hard.

EDIT: I’ll give you an example where I literally just did this— I cleared Floor 100 again last night with two of my static mates from my UwU group that wanted to do a run of it. We did it in a little under 5 hours, and that was with taking breaks in-between, especially after Floors 81-90 since we had a rough series of floors in there and wanted to stretch a bit before tackling the last ten.

A couple of hours later, I had another friend ask if I wanted to do a Floor 100 run with them. I figured why not because I still need 2 more clears for the Juedi mount anyways, and I wasn’t doing much aside from idling. We gathered two other people we knew, and went in. We stopped at Floors 41-50, however, because our tank said that he suddenly felt sick and wanted to go lay down. What did we do? “That’s okay; are you free tomorrow evening so we can continue?” “Yeah, we’ll be free tomorrow evening to finish this off.” It wasn’t that big of an issue for us, and we all know that we’re free. That’s literally all you have to do, and it makes it even easier if you are doing it with FC mates and friends because you can stay in contact with them if there are any sudden changes/need to reschedule. If you have some flaky friends, then go with non-flaky ones.

[RiyahArp]

and savage static planning is unfun and annoying, and one of the many reasons people choose just to pf single runs, since that was made available due to cross server party finder. Not everyone can plan their time around 3-8 other people in a game, especially if the work full time or they log on at odd hours, like eu time on a NA server. If you choose to, you add a large time burden to a single event that often ends in disbanding it anyways, if one person gets tired of it, gets sick and is offline for a weekend, has to go back to school, loses their internet, has connection trouble, etc.

There's a reason why NA tend to do it all in one sitting, and that's due to those factors. Not everyone likes them, which is why pf and df exist. HoH removes that more or less entirely for the challenge floors, and previously potd kind of suffered because of it

[HyoMinPark]

and savage static planning is unfun and annoying

This is an opinion. You think it's unfun and annoying. That doesn't mean everyone else does.

There's a reason why NA tend to do it all in one sitting, and that's due to those factors. Not everyone likes them, which is why pf and df exist. HoH removes that more or less entirely for the challenge floors, and previously potd kind of suffered because of it

There have been instances of one sitting runs and divided runs that work out fine. That's what I've been trying to to tell you. But, again, you don't actually read what I write because it doesn't fit the way you want things to be. And are you sure this is an NA-exclusive thing? Any proof that this isn't also done on JP servers? Or EU servers?

Basically what you want is to be able to pug the higher floors at your leisure. Sorry, but that's not the way the content is designed. From the shenanigans I see happening on floors 21-30, I wouldn't want my floors 91-100 reliant on 3 other random people that use pomanders willy-nilly, or don't bother to use them when a situation is dire. Or get a party that's 4 DPS with no tank or healer. That's a recipe for disaster up on those floors.

To make them puggable, you would basically have to remove the challenge from them entirety: paper mobs that can be downed in 10 seconds with zero threatening mechanics to them, and each set of floors plus the boss takes 30 minutes or less. Which would defeat the entire purpose of those floors. They aren't made to be puggable in the sense of random matches parties. They're made for premades where communication is used and needed.

If you want to do them so badly, rise to the challenge. Plenty others have done it.


As for your IRL time constraints: I cleared PotD Floor 200 working a full-time job that never had the same schedule each week, and I very rarely had weekends off. I still made it work with friends a couple of hours each night for 3 to 4 nights until we cleared. It wasn't hard or stressful or annoying. Go with people you can trust and rely on, or start networking to find those types of people. You like to bring up FFXI, well networking and forming parties was core to that game. So do it in FFXIV as well. It's not difficult.