We need another Housing purge

[Gemina]

What ways are there around the rules? Everything these FC's have done is clearly within the rules.

I did not say anyone was in violation. Only if there are those in clear violation of them.

In any case, it might be time to impose even further restrictions if FCs can do this. This "it's within the rules" doesn't pardon the selfish BS. Like not at all.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I did not say anyone was in violation. Only if there are those in clear violation of them.

In any case, it might be time to impose even further restrictions if FCs can do this. This "it's within the rules" doesn't pardon the selfish BS. Like not at all.

But what classify as a violation? What stricter rules are you wanting to imply? Because, frankly, punishing to this extent sounds draconian.

[HyoMinPark]

I did not say anyone was in violation. Only if there are those in clear violation of them.

In any case, it might be time to impose even further restrictions if FCs can do this. This "it's within the rules" doesn't pardon the selfish BS. Like not at all.

What kind of restrictions? And would they really matter? Because those who bought houses prior to these new restrictions you propose would just be grandfathered in, just like they were for the post-4.1 housing changes. As someone said earlier in this thread, it would end up punishing innocent players more than the people you would want SE to target.

[Gemina]

What kind of restrictions? And would they really matter? Because those who bought houses prior to these new restrictions you propose would just be grandfathered in, just like they were for the post-4.1 housing changes. As someone said earlier in this thread, it would end up punishing innocent players more than the people you would want SE to target.

Like with the patch, I don't think anyone with current ownership should be affected if additional restrictions are placed. With the addition of the message books, I started going around wards to leave friendly messages to houses I liked, and I was astonished at the amount of homes I saw with less than 100k invested into the décor and not taking advantage of housing exclusive features such as gardening, chocobo stables, flower pots, etc. It's what has led to my abrasive PoV in this thread.

Obviously, what people do with their homes is entirely up to them after they purchase, and people can buy to their hearts content so long as it is within the rules. And so long as housing is limited, the argument that limiting housing to even one per account regardless if FC or not will not fix the problem remains strong. Be that is it may, I can't keep down the desire to express my disgust with community selfishness.

[Lambdafish]

Be that is it may, I can't keep down the desire to express my disgust with community selfishness.

You just went on a rant about people not investing money into their house, and you say that its the community that is selfish? My PoV as a homeowner with not much gil is that people can do what they like with their house, and you shouldn't judge at all. As for the housing availability problem, I feel that the housing demolition and recent restrictions are all that is needed for mid pop and low pop servers, however, I think that the devs should focus specifically on high pop servers with future housing improvements in order to cater to the greater number of players.

[Gemina]

You just went on a rant about people not investing money into their house, and you say that its the community that is selfish? My PoV as a homeowner with not much gil is that people can do what they like with their house, and you shouldn't judge at all. As for the housing availability problem, I feel that the housing demolition and recent restrictions are all that is needed for mid pop and low pop servers, however, I think that the devs should focus specifically on high pop servers with future housing improvements in order to cater to the greater number of players.

I went on a rant about the community being selfish, not the lack of investment people put into their homes. There is a difference. Players not investing in the homes I observed only validates my concern. I also believe I stated myself that people can do what they want with their homes. I'm not dictator here. But yes, I will judge without feeling shame. I feel that the rules and lack of restrictions doesn't excuse what I feel is poor etiquette. The problem does not need to exist across all servers for it to be a community problem. If I was speaking solely for Siren, I wouldn't even be here.

[HyoMinPark]

I went on a rant about the community being selfish, not the lack of investment people put into their homes. There is a difference.

No... you went on a rant because people aren’t using their houses to your standards.

Like with the patch, I don't think anyone with current ownership should be affected if additional restrictions are placed. With the addition of the message books, I started going around wards to leave friendly messages to houses I liked, and I was astonished at the amount of homes I saw with less than 100k invested into the décor and not taking advantage of housing exclusive features such as gardening, chocobo stables, flower pots, etc. It's what has led to my abrasive PoV in this thread.

Is that what makes the homeowners selfish? That they aren’t using their houses the way you think they should be?

Players not investing in the homes I observed only validates my concern. I also believe I stated myself that people can do what they want with their homes. I'm not dictator here. But yes, I will judge without feeling shame. I feel that the rules and lack of restrictions doesn't excuse what I feel is poor etiquette. The problem does not need to exist across all servers for it to be a community problem. If I was speaking solely for Siren, I wouldn't even be here.

You’re contradicting yourself here—you’re saying “people can do whatever they want with their houses” while also saying “but I’m going to judge them for not doing what I think should be done with them”. That’s not a valid defense for any argument about additional housing restrictions. Which I’m still waiting for you to tell me what restrictions you would want put in place in the future. Can I at least get an answer to that?

[HyoMinPark]

Like with the patch, I don't think anyone with current ownership should be affected if additional restrictions are placed. With the addition of the message books, I started going around wards to leave friendly messages to houses I liked, and I was astonished at the amount of homes I saw with less than 100k invested into the décor and not taking advantage of housing exclusive features such as gardening, chocobo stables, flower pots, etc. It's what has led to my abrasive PoV in this thread.

Obviously, what people do with their homes is entirely up to them after they purchase, and people can buy to their hearts content so long as it is within the rules. And so long as housing is limited, the argument that limiting housing to even one per account regardless if FC or not will not fix the problem remains strong. Be that is it may, I can't keep down the desire to express my disgust with community selfishness.

Okay... but you still didn’t answer my question: what restrictions for housing are you insinuating/wanting SE to put in place? All you’ve done right now is tell me that you’re irritated people haven’t used their houses to your standards.