Sentinal is a thorn in our sides

[Molly_Millions]

Its all speculation I'm just saying if you are taking things at face value based on description then your example is flawed

But I am not taking them at face value. Sentinel doesn't add hate, the new ability does. It's not hard to figure out that when mages have hate bad things happen.

[Krausus]

But I am not taking them at face value. Sentinel doesn't add hate, the new ability does. It's not hard to figure out that when mages have hate bad things happen.

yes you are, you are trying to use the current description of Sentinel to prove Sentinel is going away even though the current description is incorrect.

[Molly_Millions]

yes you are, you are trying to use the current description of Sentinel to prove Sentinel is going away even though the current description is incorrect.

My point remains, the effect of the old and new abilities are not the same, wheather on not they call the new ability Sentinel or not doesn't really matter, and weather or not you do anything with your weapon when using sentinel today doesn't really matter. What matters is that when you use Sentinel today, it doesn't add more emnity; when you use the new ability, you will gain emnity. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME, AND WILL NOT PRODUCE THE SAME RESULTS.

[Rentahamster]

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME, AND WILL NOT PRODUCE THE SAME RESULTS.

I don't think anyone really cares about the enmity. The defining point of sentinel is the insane damage reduction. If the new Gladiator skill has similar insane damage reduction, then for all intents and purposes, it is the same skill.

Oh, one more thing - sentinel does actually generate enmity. Just not a lot. It's about 40 points of hate.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/54373.html#cutid1

[Molly_Millions]

I don't think anyone really cares about the enmity. The defining point of sentinel is the insane damage reduction. If the new Gladiator skill has similar insane damage reduction, then for all intents and purposes, it is the same skill.

Oh, one more thing - sentinel does actually generate enmity. Just not a lot. It's about 40 points of hate.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/54373.html#cutid1

So does every other ability, in fact 41 is the average so it adds no more emnity than the average ability in essence nullifying the effect. Unless you actually believe that they would add that to the description when the new ability generate average emnity. In that case, you win, I'm done as you won't listen to reason.

[Krausus]

So does every other ability, in fact 41 is the average so it adds no more emnity than the average ability in essence nullifying the effect. Unless you actually believe that they would add that to the description when the new ability generate average emnity. In that case, you win, I'm done as you won't listen to reason.

actually speed surge, life surge, and invigorate will not add any hate. At least in the sense that it will not show you generating hate on a mob (wont change the hate meter from nothing to green)

[Molly_Millions]

actually speed surge, life surge, and invigorate will not add any hate. At least in the sense that it will not show you generating hate on a mob (wont change the hate meter from nothing to green)

do you know what the word average means?

sorry to be an ass, but you are making some pretty illogical arguments. We are comparing the new ability to sentinel not to speed surge.

[Rentahamster]

So does every other ability, in fact 41 is the average so it adds no more emnity than the average ability in essence nullifying the effect. Unless you actually believe that they would add that to the description when the new ability generate average emnity. In that case, you win, I'm done as you won't listen to reason.

I won't listen to reason? All I did was respond to your statement:

when you use Sentinel today, it doesn't add more emnity

Since it technically does, but not enough to matter at all.


Besides the main point of my post was to show that the defining characteristic of Sentinel is the damage reduction. Regardless of the hate generation boost, if it still reduces a lot of damage on Hellfire, people will still use it.

[Molly_Millions]

I won't listen to reason? All I did was respond to your statement:

Since it technically does, but not enough to matter at all.


Besides the main point of my post was to show that the defining characteristic of Sentinel is the damage reduction. Regardless of the hate generation boost, if it still reduces a lot of damage on Hellfire, people will still use it.

That's assuming it doesn't make the mages wipe, which is something we can't safely assume at this time. After the patch, if we see that the enmity generating effect is so weak that it can be ignored and used by a mage, then sure everyone will probably use it on Ifrit. But until we can see the actual enmity generated, that's not something that we can assume. The simple fact that enmity generation is mentioned in the description leads me to believe, however, that it's not going to be safe for the main healer to use.

To assume is to make an ass out of u and me.