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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    I've not used it yet but if I remember well you can choose the POV as you wish. As such Imho is a bit superior to the avaible sources which unless you have multiple ppl streaming the run you can only get one POV.
    Now I'll go into uncharted territory and say that streaming while progging is also a hit to perfomances, I imagine that while the recorder is recording you might not suffer from perfomance issue, but If someone has more ripe informations on this they can correct me
    Streaming will always incur delays, as it's recording the actual visual information from a player, So this usually means somewhere between 3 frames and 3 minutes of buffering. Poorer connections will basically not be able to stream or record video at all.

    How the Duty Recorder appears to work, is to actually play back the network data, as it was originally sent, but the Duty Recorder lets you change PoV. Every player within a certain range sees the same animation and combat stat data, the only data that is unique to your character is inventory (eg when you win a loot roll, it synchronizes the inventory.)

    A 24-player Alliance Raid that lasts the full 2hours, generates about 200MB of uncompressed network data. That's about the same size as a 10 minute 1080p30 video.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    It's a rare occassion but I agree with you. Yes, it should be turned on by default. Log the items the players are wearing (you know, for the sake of stats), and if someone doesn't accept it, you have it roll a random player character look for them (so let's say I didn't agree to it, you might instead get a Lalafell male instead of an Au Ra female). Replace the name with a random NPC name (like Momodi, or Nanamo), if you don't want storyline relevant NPCs (since I'm not sure how all of them will work, e.g. Ultimate, are there any storyline-relevant NPCs for that?)
    Just based on what I know how the game works:
    1) Replacing the player ID with a NPC ID, is braindead simple. The command mission NPC's are only different from Player's and Pets in that they have a fixed "player" appearance. Replacing another player with Alphinaud is basically replacing his appearance, not his job.
    2) When a character is spawned, it transmit's it's appearance. You can't change your gear during a fight, and this is why. When you change jobs, the game basically despawns and respawns your character on everyone elses screen. This also results in the stats being re-transmitted due to the gear change.

    So, for using the Duty Recorder on ARR Duties, would logically let you drag Y'shtola (CNJ/WHM/AST), Yda/Lyse (DPS - MNK), Papalymo (DPS - THM/BLM), and Thancred (DPS/Rogue/Ninja) in, up until Thancred disappears. Alphinaud(ACN/SMN) and Alisaie (RDM) could also be swapped in at any point where they aren't NPC's. Yugiri (DPS - Ninja) can be added at any point in 2.1+, and used in any duty where's she's not a NPC. Likewise Gosetsu can be swapped in for any SAM. Tataru is also technically a Arcanist as well. Basically the only role that is really missing a NPC equal is Scholar. Alphinaud and Tataru could actually do all three ACN/SMN/SCH as stand-in's, I just don't know if the game would animate the pet spawns if they don't technically have them.

    Like it doesn't take much to fit them in. There are Job NPC's that can also be used if they've been unlocked. The game simply needs to ask who to use (Scions/NPCs, Squadron, Randomly picked appearance) and undye/unglamor the gear. Or if we want to turn the "privacy" directive up a little more, have fixed glamours set for level 50+/60+/70+ gear so that Anonymized characters are glamoured to the AF gears.

    If this was taken up to "video editing" levels, being able to overwrite the appearance/dye/glamour of the other consenting players for playback would be a good option. It might be slightly abusive if it's done without consent, so players who didn't consent would result in letting the player doing the playback "re-roll" the anonymous appearance.

    To a certain extent the Duty Recorder is a superior option, if it can record everything, not just one or two fights.
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    Last edited by KisaiTenshi; 06-29-2018 at 07:06 AM.

  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    On the one hand complaing that players can't do mechanics while on the other frequently coming out with comments like mechanics are for cars..
    These both mean the same thing. Nobody saying mechanics are for cars means "Don't do mechanics."
    Perhaps in very outdated content, sure. Nobody even sees half the mechanics in Syrcus Tower anymore, for example. But in current content, if someone is saying this it's probably because someone didn't do the mechanics properly.

    You'll find that etiquette online may be hard to follow sometimes, and is often very sarcastic at the best of times.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    The community itself is incredibly hypocritical as well. On the one hand complaing that players can't do mechanics while on the other frequently coming out with comments like mechanics are for cars.. It's no wonder players don't bother learning.
    This is simply a meme intended to mock players who refuse to learn mechanics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    I also think this again is yet another issue with the treadmill. Every piece of gear in the game is bland worthless junk. And because it's worthless you really cannot expect players to have to do much to get it. Which is why its handed to you..

    If you had gear that was strong and powerful and felt valuable I bet many players would step up there game to the extra challenge involved in getting it.
    Excuses.

    Gear progression has nothing whatsoever to do with skill or a willingness to improve. Players like have little desire to better themselves and simply want a hand out. This is why they whine over how difficult Shinryu or Tsukiyomi normal were. Unfortunately, the devs often listen, thus the expectations now are if you complain enough they'll make things easier. Implementing horizontal progression isn't going to make people suddenly care. They'll either complain it takes forever to obtain something or not do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post

    If you had gear that was strong and powerful and felt valuable I bet many players would step up there game to the extra challenge involved in getting it.
    They will get it...by RMT in that case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Players like have little desire to better themselves and simply want a hand out. This is why they whine over how difficult Shinryu or Tsukiyomi normal were
    Both were difficult compared to previous trials, and both had a lot of people leave them as soon as they showed up in trials roulette. Shin is really only ok now that we outgear it by 80 levels. Tsuku specifically is a noob killer, because of the last phase and the rather wonky mechanics stacked quickly together. Tsuku also is a huge healer check, more than any other job; it's unfair, especially compared to tanking it. A lot of people will leave a trial roulette if it wipes once, especially tanks; I've had to switch to one just so they wouldn't wait forever for a replacement.

    It's not really fair to complain about it being a handout; if you had to stay in a full lockout or vote abandon on either of those trials at launch, that's what led to complaints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    Both were difficult compared to previous trials, and both had a lot of people leave them as soon as they showed up in trials roulette. Shin is really only ok now that we outgear it by 80 levels. Tsuku specifically is a noob killer, because of the last phase and the rather wonky mechanics stacked quickly together. Tsuku also is a huge healer check, more than any other job; it's unfair, especially compared to tanking it. A lot of people will leave a trial roulette if it wipes once, especially tanks; I've had to switch to one just so they wouldn't wait forever for a replacement.

    It's not really fair to complain about it being a handout; if you had to stay in a full lockout or vote abandon on either of those trials at launch, that's what led to complaints.
    Shinryu was fine even at release. People simply suck, and refuse to actually better themselves. I came across some myself. My first attempt back at Stormblood's launch was with a WAR who died to every single Tidal Wave and promptly whined "I'm just trying to have fun" when both bothers, who attempted to explain mechanics in between his chain pulling, finally got fed up. This is what happens when content is so laughably easy then abruptly jumps in difficulty. You get idiots like this aforementioned WAR or players too lazy to actually learn. Calling Tsukiyomi a healer check is ridiculous, sorry. I have tanked, healed and DPS her—in Trial Roulette. And it's never been an issue outside day one, when people were still learning.

    People complain because they're bad and want everything made easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    People complain because they're bad and want everything made easy.
    You know, if someone does savage, of course trials are going to seem easy to them, because they've had all the mechanics drilled into their heads. Surprisingly though, there are a lot of people who don't do that, and they actually tend to struggle with it. Surprising, eh? I mean, wtf are you even a judge of it, you do ultimate. What is going to seem hard to you then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    You know, if someone does savage, of course trials are going to seem easy to them, because they've had all the mechanics drilled into their heads. Surprisingly though, there are a lot of people who don't do that, and they actually tend to struggle with it. Surprising, eh? I mean, wtf are you even a judge of it, you do ultimate. What is going to seem hard to you then?
    You think I only play with Ultimate raiders? I have plenty of friends who either never step foot in Savage or have only cleared the first two. They share the same opinion on both Shinryu and Tsukiyomi. Furthermore, I didn't learn those mechanics overnight nor did they come from Savage. Tsukiyomi borrows from Shiva; with most of her mechanics being rehashes of old ones we see frequently in all pieces of content. Regardless, what does Ultimate have to do with learn mechanics? If you're struggling, guides are easily available. Just because you aren't a raider doesn't mean content is magically difficult, provided you pay attention and learn from your mistakes.

    But to humour your question. Shinryu and Tsuki are solid difficulties for story content. My being an Ultimate raider doesn't mean I cannot judge content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    You know, if someone does savage, of course trials are going to seem easy to them, because they've had all the mechanics drilled into their heads. Surprisingly though, there are a lot of people who don't do that, and they actually tend to struggle with it. Surprising, eh? I mean, wtf are you even a judge of it, you do ultimate. What is going to seem hard to you then?
    Look at who you're talking to, and which thread you're in.

    The major contributory factor in what constitutes difficulty in the game is placing blame on the "it wasn't me" factor, like everyone is still a 6 year old.

    Wipe? Who caused the wipe? Clearly it was the healer since "heal" is in the name, even though the boss did the enrage which is an instant KO. Why did an Enrage get hit? Not enough DPS? Which DPS was picking their nose instead of hammering on the boss? s/

    The ability to record the duty... any duty, makes figuring out what is actually going on, that much easier, and thus not having to rely on external tools. Just load up the last fight, rewind it to 30 seconds before the wipe and see what everyone was doing. If you're pugging along, it still makes sense to record it, just if it's anonymized you're not going to have that information for very long since the last 50 contacts are all the game client records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    You know, if someone does savage, of course trials are going to seem easy to them, because they've had all the mechanics drilled into their heads. Surprisingly though, there are a lot of people who don't do that, and they actually tend to struggle with it. Surprising, eh? I mean, wtf are you even a judge of it, you do ultimate. What is going to seem hard to you then?
    It's almost as if, with repetition, practice, and effort, these mechanics become simple to dance around.
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