Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[Nhadaly]

Maybe it's low because you paid for that too. <3

Its pretty normal for someones first clear to be pretty low in comparison to future runs, people usually optimize their dps a lot after the clear is done, not before, its safety first and foremost during prog.

[Rubiss]

I'll admit, my parse is pretty trash. I could explain why but that doesn't interest anybody here. Point is, I cleared. Nothing stopping me from actually doing Ultimate other than my own commitment/desire. Unlike someone without a G-Kefka kill that can't even unlock the thing.

"Clearing" is quite a stretch. Carried sounds more appropriate. I think you shouldn't be allowed to join a conversation about selling clears if you're not able to clear it better than most. Point is, your opinion on the subject is just as valid as anyone else's. Requiring a clear to speak about selling a run doesn't make much sense. Everyone should be able to talk about an issue and give their feedback. If you want to be exclusionary, then you should be prepared to be excluded when you don't measure up to someone's standards.

Its pretty normal for someones first clear to be pretty low in comparison to future runs, people usually optimize their dps a lot after the clear is done, not before, its safety first and foremost during prog.

What about someone's second, third or fourth?

[Nhadaly]

What about someone's second, third or fourth?

Depends on what week they're clearing, i know some people who progressed godka week one who have a bunch of greys in kefaust due to the very, very low amount of people doing that at that time.

And some people are just not good, i know people that just cant improve due to multiple factors, people in casual groups clearing tiers tend to be in this category, they can still clear, but usually stay mediocre, not that thats a bad thing mind you, im not trying to diss anyone or take shots.

[Jijifli]

Its pretty normal for someones first clear to be pretty low in comparison to future runs, people usually optimize their dps a lot after the clear is done, not before, its safety first and foremost during prog.

Oops I forgot to write (OBVIOUS JOKE) this time. Sorry.

[Nhadaly]

Oops I forgot to write (OBVIOUS JOKE) this time. Sorry.

I used your post to make a general point, not to attack your "obvious joke".

[HyoMinPark]

"Clearing" is quite a stretch. Carried sounds more appropriate. I think you shouldn't be allowed to join a conversation about selling clears if you're not able to clear it better than most. Point is, your opinion on the subject is just as valid as anyone else's. Requiring a clear to speak about selling a run doesn't make much sense. Everyone should be able to talk about an issue and give their feedback. If you want to be exclusionary, then you should be prepared to be excluded when you don't measure up to someone's standards.

What about someone's second, third or fourth?

I just want to say that taking personal shots against someone who disagrees with your point of view is a sure-fire way to turn others off.

[Astral145]

This is nothing new. MMO players have been doing this for years. Its no different than selling used junk. Does it devalue the work others have put in to completing the content..... not really because 85% of the player base could give 2 kuponuts about that content. The main reason is most players will never have a chance to try that type of content let alone complete it.

If you believe that selling runs devalues the work that others put in to completing it is simply ridiculous. The player that buys the completion is most likely wanting the weapon glamour. Those who actually complete the content is doing it for fun and there lies the value not some trophy glamour weapon....

The real value of this type of content is that rush of excitement and joy after finally completing it. Blood, sweat and tears.... then finally bliss. A stick with a built in flashlight that will eventually go into your retainers inventory is only a reminder and nothing more.

Awesome Memories with your friends kicking @$$ is the real value.

[NephthysVasudan]

I think you shouldn't be allowed to join a conversation about selling clears if you're not able to clear it better than most.
Point is, your opinion on the subject is just as valid as anyone else's. Requiring a clear to speak about selling a run doesn't make much sense.

You should stop contradicting yourself before you start making "opinions"
That would help you a great deal.
Otherwise..please stop before you embarrass yourself any further.

As to the subject matter - You can sell clears if its gil only.
However - its painfully obvious to me these are RMT -
They demand Discord upfront
They hide details and only discuss out-of-game

That alone smells rotten to the core.

Will SE do anything? Not as of yet....at least as far as we know about it.

[Rubiss]

You should stop contradicting yourself before you start making "opinions"
That would help you a great deal.
Otherwise..please stop before you embarrass yourself any further.

As to the subject matter - You can sell clears if its gil only.
However - its painfully obvious to me these are RMT -
They demand Discord upfront
They hide details and only discuss out-of-game

That alone smells rotten to the core.

Will SE do anything? Not as of yet....at least as far as we know about it.

That's the point. I am repeating the mentality displayed by him and other players who seem to believe that you have to had cleared something to speak about this issue. What's embarrassing is not looking at the context of what was posted only a few posts before. I keep saying that everyone should be able to talk about this issue, but players baring others because of some standard they set is just wrong. So for hyperbole, I set up my own standard which he didn't meet, thereby helping him understand how baring others isn't productive. It's really bizarre that I have to explain this.

I just want to say that taking personal shots against someone who disagrees with your point of view is a sure-fire way to turn others off.

No one reads anymore.

[Tiaque]

That's the point. I am repeating the mentality displayed by him and other players who seem to believe that you have to had cleared something to speak about this issue. What's embarrassing is not looking at the context of what was posted only a few posts before. I keep saying that everyone should be able to talk about this issue, but players baring others because of some standard they set is just wrong. So for hyperbole, I set up my own standard which he didn't meet, thereby helping him understand how baring others isn't productive. It's really bizarre that I have to explain this.



No one reads anymore.

Damn shame. Pretty redheads should always be listened to.

Now then, my thoughts? On my old account I was a pretty hardcore raider, had Mesuline Mauler back in the day during 2.0 era. Yet now I am trying to gear up, get back alot of the things I lost from my old account, and hopefully find a static to do the expansions final tier in and hopefully, do the two ultimates with as well. That said though, may turn out I may not even find a static, the very least a good one. A few of the ones I did join in the past as I was in and out of the game before my old account loss always fell apart, due to the static leader either getting frustrated, or members just not showing up. I would then be asked by those leaving or the static leader to transition to a new static with them, but I would decline and disappear frustrated for a week or two before looking once again for a static in need of a PLD/DRK tank.

In short, I may never get to see Ultimate. But I do wish they would still put in a 3rd ultimate and do 3 per expansion hell, why not 4 per expansion? I know its alot of reuse of assets and such, can still take quite alot of developer time to create it, test it, balance it out, etc. But its Square Enix we are talking about here. They can hire additional staff to help the lead project dev tasked on the ultimate they are wanting to do. But in the end, its all about money, if they think 2 per expansion is enough according to their metrics then so be it.

But this old dog has got alot of getting caught back up to do before I can even raid, much less do Ultimate. But I do hope they reconsider and put in a 3rd.