Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I am not saying that they should not punish those that use an exploit and I also dont mean that they should punish those that use a parser. I am just pointing out that they should have a clear stance on these things and follow through with it on all cases. Accept parser for streamers? Fine, then dont punish regular players if they talk about it. Have someone use an exploit and punish them? Fine, then punish all those other cheaters too. Punish people that are selling Gil for money? Fine but punish those that sell content for money too.

That is my only point in this. That they should not take double standards in this. Either punish both sides for the same breaking or none.

In that case, we agree. Unfortunately, SE seemingly cannot be bothered or are too incompetent to actually do this. The cynicism in me believes they don't because it doesn't impact the game enough to where they lose money, and punishing people may. That, or they legitimately believe it's not as big an issue in NA/EU.

[Sebazy]

Spin to win and other prior known exploits have been a very good way to get a ban. Bourne has this bang on. A lot of people got burned over Ungarmax, but people have learned their lesson over other bugs pretty much since Titan HM.

[Anatha]

RMT of all kinds should be banned.

Y'all would throw a fit if SE sold clears in the mogstation. How is that different from you know who? At least SE wouldn't charge what was it? Almost a thousand dollars or something? I'd have to find the Reddit post.

Don't be a hypocrite. If you think it's ok for these people to sell clears, then it's ok for there to be week 2 instant raid clears for all content in mogstation.

End of effing story.

[alimdia]

Why? If they bought the clear, they still wouldn't have earned it and any exploit would be limited to the party.

The majority of DF players don't earn the clears they get in any content, you can beat Tsukuyomi being mostly dead and having other people carry you, the same could be said of pretty much any other dungeon where dps do less damage than tanks and healers do nothing but heal spam. Any unsync clear is not earned. Yet none of that matters, why? Because those clears are legit, and as far as we know so are ultimate/savage clears.

There are buyers that pay with real money, buyers that pay with gil obtained through bots/RMT and buyers that pay with clean gil. If it was so easy to get the millions of gil needed through legit means, the sellers would be charging more than they already do.

As far as paying with gil goes, the price is determined by how much people are willing to pay, undercutting happens even with selling clears. It's not up to content sellers to police how people are getting their gil before paying, just like you don't audit every person who uses the marketboard to make sure you're not getting "dirty" gil.

No one was permanently banned for using Ungarmax. If an account was permanently banned, that was because it already had some penalties.

Bourne never said permanently banned.

[Jijifli]

Bourne never said permanently banned.

And that's why people still did it. People think Ungarmax is the first case of game breaking? If they haven't hit at least 3+ day bans yet, they probably aren't gonna get perma'd. In which case, why're they so worried? Assuming these parties do these methods, when you consider the account sharing means the person might have to work with a non-meta job (oh no), that'd just make the easiest. So they abuse it, and let's say they got 10 buyers at $1200. Square notices, gives them a 9 day ban. Okay. And they just made 12 grand. I doubt they'd care they got suspended. Actually, they might not care if that gets terminated, they could just buy another account with full 360+.

[Doozer]

So they abuse it, and let's say they got 10 buyers at $1200.

Do people really pay $1200 for that? That's lunacy!

[Mixt]

You'd be surprised how much some people are willing to pay for fake bragging rights.

Buying a Ultimate win gives them an excuse to lord it over everyone else how much better they are, it goes roughly like "HAHA! I cleared Ultimate (Even though i actually didn't) That makes me awesome and better than you!"

Certain people will pay any price in order to look good.

And then the rest of the playerbase has to put up with their unjustified ego-tripping.
Even more obnoxius when they fail even basic mechanics in low tier content like 4-man dungeons or story trials and then blame everyone else because "I cleared Ultimate! I cannot fail! The rest of you noobs must be the ones at fault!"

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You'd be surprised how much some people are willing to pay for fake bragging rights.

Buying a Ultimate win gives them an excuse to lord it over everyone else how much better they are, it goes roughly like "HAHA! I cleared Ultimate (Even though i actually didn't) That makes me awesome and better than you!"

This actually happens far less than you think. For one, sellers will rarely upload parses of their sale clears, thus it's very easy to find out if someone's lying about it. Likewise, sellers typically hate people who brag like this and some will outright reject offers from them afterwards. Regardless, people willing to spend this much money on clears is exceedingly rare. Hence why the prices are so high. There simply isn't a demand, which allows certain FCs to charge significantly more than they would be able to otherwise.

[Doozer]

I guess they don't realize that doing something that may put you on a pedestal also comes with higher expectations. Goofing up your rotation or accidentally standing in an AoE is just whatever if you're some random schmuck. If you've got something that's prestigious that usually takes some skill or dedication to get, doing those dumb things is even worse. Got further to fall.

I'm personally not impressed by any flashy items or titles people have. But if you do have them, I expect you to act like you know what you're doing.

[RiyahArp]

I guess they don't realize that doing something that may put you on a pedestal also comes with higher expectations.

Apparently not, since world first fc's seem to think being common RMTs is ok. Not sure why people are mad at the buyers for bragging, when they'd have zero to brag about if the fcs just didn't sell anything at all.