Ultimate hiatus feedback

[Akava]

I haven't, but I'm not complaining for myself. I'll have plenty of time to work towards clearing them. I'm supporting those who already have cleared them and were excited for the next one.

I should also add that if they didn't add an Ultimate in 4.5 but added something like Mythic+ that the community has brought up to the dev team several times, I think that would make most people happy. As it stands, "content for everyone" usually just means content that's as difficult as our 4-man dungeons. Even extreme primals lock out a lot of the playerbase.

[BandiaAlt]

Posting this on behalf of Sasaro Saro who is unable to do so himself.

To the people complaining about wasted resources: just remember what Ultimate is. It's a single fifteen minute fight built with 95% recycled assets. That's the staggering amount of "resources" we're dealing with here. We get over a hundred hours of enjoyment from that. How much would you guys get from an equivalent amount of casual content? One hour? Two?

This trade off was deemed worth it, otherwise Ultimate mode would never have been introduced in the first place. Plus, it's delivered well above expectations (while the great reception from hardcore players was the devs' best case scenarion, the level of Twitch engagement was a surprise).

All signals were green. I just can't think it's okay to nonchalantly cancel the next iteration with an off-hand remark in some magazine interview. People should be able to get invested in the game without fearing that the most important feature to them might suddenly disappear for no clear reason

[shibeouya]

How much are we talking that actually cleared both of them? Like 0.001%, or something like that? Let's be honest, out of the very few who will even attempt these fights, only a tiny percentage will actually clear either. Hence I fail to see the need for yet more, when hardcore raider still have 2 whole fights to clear for the large majority of them.

[BandiaAlt]

How much are we talking that actually cleared both of them? Like 0.001%, or something like that? Let's be honest, out of the very few who will even attempt these fights, only a tiny percentage will actually clear either. Hence I fail to see the need for yet more, when hardcore raider still have 2 whole fights to clear for the large majority of them.

Around 100 groups or more have already cleared The Weapons Refrain Ultimate, with many more working on the last parts of the fight, the clear numbers are higher than you think.
Also hardcore raiders have either already cleared both or are close to doing so, we already have no content for up to 18 months at this point.

[shibeouya]

100 groups is tiny - looks like I wasn't too far off with my 0.001%

My point still stands - IF most people had cleared Ultimate (among those who tried, not talking about the large majority that won't even try Ultimate), then it'd be worthwhile. But as it stands, most hardcore raiders still have a lot to do with these 2 fights.

[Akava]

I think you're jumping the gun by asking about the clear rates for both Ultimate fights. Ultima just came out after all. I don't think anyone would expect all people interested in Savage to have cleared it within 2 weeks and that's a much easier difficulty.

A better thing to look at would be UCoB's clear rate, seeing as that's now "old news" so to speak. Looking at the clear rates for both Ultimates would be more valid after 4.5 was released.

[shibeouya]

I think you're jumping the gun by asking about the clear rates for both Ultimate fights. Ultima just came out after all. I don't think anyone would expect all people interested in Savage to have cleared it within 2 weeks and that's a much easier difficulty.

A better thing to look at would be UCoB's clear rate, seeing as that's now "old news" so to speak. Looking at the clear rates for both Ultimates would be more valid after 4.5 was released.

I fully agree. Do we know the clear rate of UCoB, or is there even some kind of unofficial stats about it? I'm genuinely curious, as this would help form my opinion. My ccurrent opinion is mostly based on what I've seen in game, which is probably biased, even though I think I have a fairly diverse set of people I interact with. It would be very interesting to see.

[HyoMinPark]

But my point remains, it's still a bunch of resources that need to be allocated to it, which seems wasteful at the end of an xpac. They could dedicate same resources on a) Something else for 4.5. I'm sure they could find something for everyone to enjoy if they really wanted to; b) Some new content for the new expansion, so it's hopefully not as lacking in endgame as 3.0 or 4.0. Either would be more benefitial than a new Ultimate.

The team that works on Ultimate is separate from the other teams, such as the ones that begin work on new expansion content. Reallocating the Ultimate team’s resources does not guarantee that Patch 4.5 (and subsequent patches leading up to the expansion since they keep saying the expansion will continue on past 4.5) are going to have any sort of meaningful content to them...especially if you look back at Patch 2.5 and Patch 3.5. I was around for Patch 3.5 to Patch 3.55b, and it was 5 months of nothing but Alexander Creator (Savage), 1 new Extreme primal (that everyone hated), a 24-man, 2 new dungeons, and Diadem 2.0 (which still flopped hard). Plus the MSQ, which was split into parts and was shorter than normal for that reason.

It’s fine if you don’t see the point of having a third Ultimate. But this thread proves that there are people who do. I see a lot of people going on about how the 1% doesn’t matter, but that’s not true. The 99% gets everything in this game, including the stuff that was meant for the 10% that are raiders (clear rates for Savage are at about 10% total). The 1% that wants more should be able to have more without being told they don’t matter or are being “greedy” or “selfish”. (Not saying that you have called us greedy or selfish, but just trying to express my frustration at the constant “why make stuff for the 1%” argument. You don’t see this argument for PvP content, which the PvP community is arguably smaller than the raider community, I would wager.)

[Akava]

I fully agree. Do we know the clear rate of UCoB, or is there even some kind of unofficial stats about it? I'm genuinely curious, as this would help form my opinion. My ccurrent opinion is mostly based on what I've seen in game, which is probably biased, even though I think I have a fairly diverse set of people I interact with. It would be very interesting to see.

I actually don't know how to find that out to be honest. Hopefully someone else can chime in with something.

[HyoMinPark]

I actually don't know how to find that out to be honest. Hopefully someone else can chime in with something.

Easiest place to find it would be to look up the most recent unofficial census by LuckyBancho. I would have to do some digging to find the most recent one.

EDIT: Most recent census I could find was from Jan. 27, 2018 that had UCoB clear numbers on it.

Right-most column: Players with either 1. "the Legend" title, or 2. A UCoB weapon, equipped. Again, this does not necessarily equal the exact number of players with a clear.

Chocobo: 346. No other server comes close.
Out of the top 20 servers, 18 are JP
Numbers by region:
JP : 1869
NA: 268
EU: 157
Total : 2294

Sources:
reddit translation
official chart
You will want to look at the numbers in the far-right column for UCoB clears.

I would keep in mind that this census is old, and I know of groups that have cleared since.

@Hyomin I linked to you the most recent luckybancho in another thread https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ay_2018active/ it was regarding the overall players int he game it was taken before 4.3 however I can't read japanese so I'm not sure if it has the UCoB clears. They only translated sigmscape clears.

Adding this to my previous post because I’ve met my daily post limit: that census does not have UCoB clears listed on it, glancing at both the reddit thread and the original webpage. When looking for UCoB, you want to look for a column with the characters “絶バハ” at the top.