Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[Paladinleeds]

If the person in question is already suspicious in RMT deals existance of VPN is not contradicting it. They totally can trace that he logged from one IP, logged off, loggen on from another IP, cleared ultimate, logged off and than logged on from old IP.

I want to show my friend Ultimate. He lives nearby. I pop round to his house, logon, clear ultimate while he watches behind me, logoff, then go home. I've been in control of my account the entire time. Let's say I have several friends that want to do this. Sure, I could simply stream, but in what way am I breaking the rules doing this? Yet under your rules, I could still get dinged for it and get banned. It isn't as cut and dry as you put it unfortunately.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Lol casuals get mad at this but would celebrate if SE put replica ultima weapons on the cash shop for 30 bucks a piece :P

[DDkiki]

I want to show my friend Ultimate. He lives nearby. I pop round to his house, logon, clear ultimate while he watches behind me, logoff, then go home. I've been in control of my account the entire time. Let's say I have several friends that want to do this. Sure, I could simply stream, but in what way am I breaking the rules doing this? Yet under your rules, I could still get dinged for it and get banned. It isn't as cut and dry as you put it unfortunately.

If you didnt clear it ever before and suddenly cleared it with different IP with a new ppl? Yes it will be suspicious and might needed deeper investigation. You prolly would show it to your friend with your static, not new randoms cuz you will never clear it with total strangers fast enough to just "show it". So thats why i said it will at 1st be suspicious, not ban in 1st minutes of changing IP. And this hypothetical situation is really rare, even rarer than actual clears of ultimates or sold runs.

But i have a question, why you and many other people so eager to defend RMT, account-sharing and other bs stuff?

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Thats why i said it just a trigger for investigating and might be a clue at exposing RMT sellers if they were investigated at that case. Who was your party members. What was your latest activities. There are many different factors to it. If you run with your static and it was same people who your were running with - prolly it OK and have no problem. If you never cleared and suddenly managed to clear it with new ppl with different IP while having drastivally different performance...thats suspicious.

But lets start with thing that SE dont care about RMT to begin with so they have zero intention to expose thoose lobbies and this black market.

Lol casuals get mad at this but would celebrate if SE put replica ultima weapons on the cash shop for 30 bucks a piece :P

Well they will ruin runseller's bisuness with it which is good. And its just a shiny toy anyway.

[Gizensha]

Lol casuals get mad at this but would celebrate if SE put replica ultima weapons on the cash shop for 30 bucks a piece :P

Right now you can buy the real deal though.

[DPZ2]

Most of FFXIV players are apologist, white knights or just too apathetic for anything. They doesn't care. Or protect every insane thing will fanatical passion. And SE doesnt care about health of their game either, will just continue milk while it still lives. Sadly no matter how loud we discuss it - SE protect this sellers and will do nothing.

When someone has no real response in a discussion, rely on them to bring up 'apologists, white knights, elitists, whatever'. These terms fall under the category of "people who don't think the way that I do, and therefore anything they say is invalid".

The post didn't do much except disparage the opposition.

[Paladinleeds]

But i have a question, why you and many other people so eager to defend RMT, account-sharing and other bs stuff?

At what point did I say I'm defending RMT, account-sharing, etc? I don't defend it. I feel that RMT is a bane and account-sharing is just opening yourself up to have everything stolen from you. But because I say it isn't as cut and dry as you make it out to be I'm defending RMT, account-sharing, etc? People have said this to me before, but it applies here. Don't put words in my mouth.

[HyoMinPark]

It was quite likely someone who got booted from a party/raid group due to what appeared on their parse.

I'd be inclined to believe such. However, I have also seen people state in previous debates that they report on even the smallest of sneaking suspicion that someone may be parsing. So I feel more inclined to believe someone saw "parse runs", flipped their lid, and just started reporting.

Generally when people kick others for low DPS, they don't say anything and just kick or outright disband the party.

[Rubiss]

When someone has no real response in a discussion, rely on them to bring up 'apologists, white knights, elitists, whatever'. These terms fall under the category of "people who don't think the way that I do, and therefore anything they say is invalid".

The post didn't do much except disparage the opposition.

Similarly when someone says, "Why do you care what people spend their money one?" that too is also quite useless and adds nothing to the conversation beyond confirming that complacency is the reason things like that exist in such a blatant form.

[RiyahArp]

Don't need ip checks. If its cross server, the only way it can be done for gil is either if the player transfers to the server, or they have an alt with a lot of gil on the home server of the advertiser. If the run happens without either, it has to be rmt of some kind. The limitations of cross server gil transfer leave enough traces to tell if its a legit mercing run. (Selling runs for in game currency isn't against the TOS at all, unless they are piloted.)

[CreinCrein]

Isn't really a matter of complacency. What stops sellers from moving to a third party platform to advertise their services? Nothing. Buyers willing to lay down the money required to purchase UwU/UCoB runs already frequent RMT-based sites; the removal of cross-world PFs would do nothing except help you sleep better at night. Even then, there is no indisputable proof money is being exchanged via cross world sell PFs; blatantly obvious though it is. There is absolutely nothing you can do to prove, beyond a doubt, that those PFs are engaged in RMT activity using in-game logs; 0.