[Request] Add alternative methods to getting old Feast rewards

[Aviars]

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Moogle outfit
Maid outfit
Veteran rewards

And none of this covers rewards that were once either difficult or far more time consuming to obtain but were subsequently nerfed. Furthermore, the Legacy rewards were from an entirely separate game that no longer exists and the art content rewards frequently return. Simply put, everything either becomes easier or has lost its exclusivity... except PvP rewards.

Again, none of those are contest rewards.

And you say legacy rewards are part of a different game. It's a reboot of the same game with rewards in the reboot.

Also, isn't the art contest the only contest that gives out it's own rewards and never releases them to people outside of the contest? Oh I guess we need to release it to everyone because it doesn't conform to everything else in the game

And if you only cared about time exclusives, then you wouldn't suggest that pvp rewards be given to anyone but top 100 players. Why not make it consistent with the art contest? Oh wait, that doesn't make it any easier to get top 100 does it.

Anyways, we have already had this discussion where you don't like SE evolving their game. Should SE not have done Ultimate Coil or Weapon because it wasn't cookie cutter formula of 3 8 man raids and 3 24 man raids? Are you going to argue that SE shouldn't EVER do anything new in this game? I would think not.

Also it is disturbing that people are WANTING SE to go back on their word.

When #freeship apparently not freeshipping the community complains that the store operators were going back on their word. Yet everyone here is trying to make SE to make top 100 rewards for everyone. Maybe the community should be consistent in their actions more so than SE.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Again, none of those are contest rewards.

And you say legacy rewards are part of a different game. It's a reboot of the same game with rewards in the reboot.

Also, isn't the art contest the only contest that gives out it's own rewards and never releases them to people outside of the contest? Oh I guess we need to release it to everyone because it doesn't conform to everything else in the game

Don't twist my words. You keep arguing SE promotes exclusivity yet time and again they have deviated away from that formula. The aforementioned list demonstrates that very fact, whether you want to believe it or not. PvP has been the exception, not the rule.

A reboot does not change the fact both are separate games, thus general perception has been to grandfather in the Legacy rewards, especially since the Chocobo and Gobbue have reskins available. And those content rewards have been made consistently available for years to those submitting their work. Furthermore, they offer those same rewards for all their contents, which negates your forthcoming argument regarding the top 100.

Anyways, we have already had this discussion where you don't like SE evolving their game. Should SE not have done Ultimate Coil or Weapon because it wasn't cookie cutter formula of 3 8 man raids and 3 24 man raids? Are you going to argue that SE shouldn't EVER do anything new in this game? I would think not.

This comparable is so absurd it beggars belief. In what universe does Ultimate have to do with exclusive PvP rewards? Even going by your twisted logic, they have moved away from exclusive rewards in other areas even after the Hellhound released. There hasn't been an evolution, just an inconsistent due to desperation trying to get people to partake in PvP.

But since even Ultimate weapons and the above mentioned Legacy Chocobo have reskins available. You wouldn't be opposed to reskins of PvP mounts being offering for everyone else now would you?

[Aviars]

Don't twist my words.

I don't twist words. You seem to say that whenever I refute your argument. Maybe you should try something else.

You keep arguing SE promotes exclusivity yet time and again they have deviated away from that formula.

Then they made Feast and Ultimate. Very interesting. Moving towards exclusives instead of babying the playerbase.

PvP has been the exception, not the rule.

Ultimate Coil was a exception to the rule and has become the rule for future content cycles. There is nothing wrong with evolving the game further from the base.

YA reboot does not change the fact both are separate games, thus general perception has been to grandfather in the Legacy rewards, especially since the Chocobo and Gobbue have reskins available. And those content rewards have been made consistently available for years to those submitting their work. Furthermore, they offer those same rewards for all their contents, which negates your forthcoming argument regarding the top 100.

They are still only available to contest winners. Which I why I question why you never suggest the remove time exclusivity from Feast rewards but still restrict them to top 100 players. But you've always tried to deny such a possibility. You defend the art contest keeping it to artist winners and runners-up but not the idea only top 100 players should get top 100 rewards. Maybe you should be consistent yourself.

This comparable is so absurd it beggars belief. In what universe does Ultimate have to do with exclusive PvP rewards? Even going by your twisted logic, they have moved away from exclusive rewards in other areas even after the Hellhound released. There hasn't been an evolution, just an inconsistent due to desperation trying to get people to partake in PvP.

You made the claim you like SE to be consistent in everything they do. I gave you an example where SE is not consistent but have moved forward with making content that is outside of the box. You should probably try to understand what I am trying to say before typing.

But since even Ultimate weapons and the above mentioned Legacy Chocobo have reskins available. You wouldn't be opposed to reskins of PvP mounts being offering for everyone else now would you?

Legacy chocobos are unique only to themselves in which they are unique. You can't reskin a legacy chocobo and not call them the same. Also Ultimate weapons are far more unique and different from what they are based off of to be called reskins. They are not the same thing.

I also would love to hear you comment on #freeship vs #top100. You conveniently ignored that part of my argument.

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[Awha]

Legacy chocobos are unique only to themselves in which they are unique. You can't reskin a legacy chocobo and call them the same. Also Ultimate weapons are far more unique and different from what they are based off of to be called reskins. They are not the same thing.

A few people in this thread, specifically the OP brought up reskins. Would you consider that to be viable compromise?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I don't twist words. You seem to say that whenever I refute your argument. Maybe you should try something else.

If you made good arguments, I wouldn't accuse you of twisting my words. Instead, you do the following...

Legacy chocobos are unique only to themselves in which they are unique. You can't reskin a legacy chocobo and call them the same. Also Ultimate weapons are far more unique and different from what they are based off of to be called reskins. They are not the same thing.

They are literally the same model but with very minor variations. The Legacy Chocobo has the tattoo on its beak and slightly darkened feathers while the Ultima weapons take the old ARR relics, paint them silver and add particle effects. Since you're seemingly on board with them being different, it shouldn't be an issue if the two PvP mounts had reskins with similar changes made available elsewhere.

Then they made Feast and Ultimate. Very interesting. Moving towards exclusives instead of babying the playerbase.

Ultimate Coil was a exception to the rule and has become the rule for future content cycles. There is nothing wrong with evolving the game further from the base.

Except the Feast released before many of the more recent exclusive changes. Therefore, they actually moved away from that model. And Ultimate has no exclusive rewards. They are obtainable at any time, and as we've established, are simply reskins of existing items.

What future content? Let's review Stormblood from 4.1 onward, when Ultimate released.

Eureka: Amemos, Sigmascape, Perform, Rival Wings, Canals, Rabanastre, Ridorana and Eureka: Pagos all offered nothing exclusive. Even Coil itself removed the weekly limitation, thus you need only finish the content at any time to obtain its reward. So, please, tell me where this shift to exclusivity is evident because no major content has anything that cannot be obtained whenever the player so desires... except PvP.

They are still only available to contest winners. Which I why I guess why you never suggest the remove time exclusivity from Feast rewards but still restrict them to top 100 players. But you've always tried to deny such a possibility. You defend the art contest keeping it to artist winners and runners-up but not the idea only top 100 players should get top 100 rewards. Maybe you should be consistent yourself.

That's a disingenuous comparison. For one, contents are far more readily available and don't require anything beyond your time. People have won despite showing only basic drawing skills whereas top 100 necessitates you compete at the highest PvP level and do so immediately due to the asinine way in which the rank system is handled. The rewards for the content are simply a cute little participation reward. Mounts are perceived differently, especially when the PvE community asked for both and they locked them in PvP content. It's not a reward for PvPers but a plea to try and get PvE players to play Feast.

I also would love to hear you comment on #freeship vs #top100. You conveniently ignored that part of my argument.

Probably because I have no idea what you're referring with the silly hash tags. I don't recall SE ever offering free shipping on their merchandise store, unless you mean the whole minion debacle.

[Aviars]

If you made good arguments, I wouldn't accuse you of twisting my words. Instead, you do the following...

I believe you are wrong as well. Does that mean you are twisting my words? I guess so haha

They are literally the same model but with very minor variations. The Legacy Chocobo has the tattoo on its beak and slightly darkened feathers while the Ultima weapons take the old ARR relics, paint them silver and add particle effects. Since you're seemingly on board with them being different, it shouldn't be an issue if the two PvP mounts had reskins with similar changes made available elsewhere.

Again what makes a legacy chocobo completely unique is the tatoo. You can't call other chocobos reskins of the legacy chocobo. That doesn't make sense. The only thing similar is the silhouette. At that point you wouldn't even call them reskins.

Except the Feast released before many of the more recent exclusive changes. Therefore, they actually moved away from that model. And Ultimate has no exclusive rewards. They are obtainable at any time, and as we've established, are simply reskins of existing items.

So what if the feast released earlier? That is a non-factor. The fact they have not changed it should be a memo to you that they are going forward with the system as is.

What future content? Let's review Stormblood from 4.1 onward, when Ultimate released.

Eureka: Amemos, Sigmascape, Perform, Rival Wings, Canals, Rabanastre, Ridorana and Eureka: Pagos all offered nothing exclusive. Even Coil itself removed the weekly limitation, thus you need only finish the content at any time to obtain its reward. So, please, tell me where this shift to exclusivity is evident because no major content has anything that cannot be obtained whenever the player so desires... except PvP.

Again you are not getting my argument. You complain SE is not being consistent in how they run their game. Therefore you should be against anything Se does that strays from whatever cookiecutter path you claim you support. Because you love consistency. I think I understand why you like using the "twisting words" buzzword. You seem to do it to me a lot.

That's a disingenuous comparison. For one, contents are far more readily available and don't require anything beyond your time. People have won despite showing only basic drawing skills whereas top 100 necessitates you compete at the highest PvP level and do so immediately due to the asinine way in which the rank system is handled. The rewards for the content are simply a cute little participation reward. Mounts are perceived differently, especially when the PvE community asked for both and they locked them in PvP content. It's not a reward for PvPers but a plead to try and get PvE players to play Feast.

You don't seem to understand the art contest then. It is about providing the best concept. And what you consider basic is your subjective opinion. It is still a contest that choose the TOP submissions and rewards them. Top 100 in the Feast is the same way. They are both contests that reward the top participants. If anything is disingenuous it's you claiming the winners in the art contest do not deserve winning. At the end of the day it is the same thing. If you can't support Feast operating in a similar fashion to the art contest you are contradicting yourself. End of story,

Probably because I have no idea what you're referring with the silly hash tags. I don't recall SE ever offering free shipping on their merchandise store, unless you mean the whole minion debacle.

There was recently a promotion at a event where they offered #freeship or free shipping for merchandise being offered at the event. It just so turns out this wasn't true and the store tried to claim it was only a $8 discount. The community rose up and complained that they were going back on them saying it was going to be free shipping and eventually the store honored the free shipping.

This is where I question why people will force SE to honor free shipping but will try to get SE to make top 100 rewards not top 100 rewards after they explicitly said they were top 100 rewards only.

Just pointing out inconsistency in the community. They should be DEFENDING top 100 rewards to keep them as they are.

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[Emstidor]

This is where I question why people will force SE to honor free shipping but will try to get SE to make top 100 rewards not top 100 rewards after they explicitly said they were top 100 rewards only.

One of these is literally a case of illegal fraud regarding financial transactions. The other concerns items in a video game. It's a little weird to me that you keep trying to draw parallels between them when they're not comparable in any way.

Not only that, but when we try to draw our own parallels between one set of items (Moogle attire, hellpup minions, goobbue mount, etc) and the PVP top 100 rewards (two groups which have much MUCH more in common than your own example) you stubbornly dismiss the comparisons as unrelated. Are you for real?

[Aviars]

One of these is literally a case of illegal fraud regarding financial transactions. The other concerns items in a video game. It's a little weird to me that you keep trying to draw parallels between them when they're not comparable in any way.

I guess to some people, some promises are worth more than others. Regardless, we pay a monthly sub and we play and pay according to what SE tells us and promises. They are comparable whether you like it or not.

And already explained why you guys were wrong earlier on things like the hellpups. I don't need to repeat myself for things you are trying to bring up yet again.

Edit: Anyways, I will only be posting 1-2 more times. This thread is spent as far as I'm concerned and there's no reason to argue the same points I dealt with pages ago.

[Reinha]

Again what makes a legacy chocobo completely unique is the tatoo. You can't call other chocobos reskins of the legacy chocobo. That doesn't make sense. The only thing similar is the silhouette. At that point you wouldn't even call them reskins.

If some other content offered a Hellhound mount of a different color with glowing horns and a symbol written on it's chest, would you be ok with that? The mount people got from PvP would still be different enough for people to recognize its origin.