Yoshi-P says discussions about FFXIV on Switch and Xbox One are "Positive"

[Maeka]

RE:Sigma: It isn't that I'm burned out by consoles, it's just that I've come to realize how ridiculously overpriced they are. And back when PCs could not do what Super Nintendo or n64 did, yeah sure, consoles had a market there. But nowadays when the PCs are stronger than the consoles? Not so much.

@Gunksfoy: And you're overestimating the cost of a PC. You didn't need $500 in monitors. In fact, the very same TVs that you hook a PS4 up to? You could hook a PC up to too. So really you can't add the cost of the display to the cost of the PC when you'd also need a display for the PS4. And also, you skipped out on the PS4 Pro... I've seen FFXIV on PS4 non-pro...people on youtube have tested it, and it runs at 20-26FPS. The PC I built 5 years ago could beat that, easy. Building a PC with 5 year old parts wouldn't even cost you $300 today. And you didn't really need a $100 keyboard, the game is easily playable on any standard keyboard. You chose luxury and you paid extra for it.

You can, today, build a PC easily good enough to play XIV at 45-60FPS for $550 for the tower alone. Yes, it's more than $300, but yet at the same time, it will last longer and you can upgrade it later instead of having to buy a whole new one (like the PS4Pro) and if something goes wrong, you can fix it yourself.

As to "no need for knowledge of tech", there's countless youtube videos that teach you everything you could ever want to know about how to build an maintain a PC, and they have made it so easy, an 8 year old could build one. It's literally impossible to plug something into the wrong spot, parts come with manuals that tell you exactly how to do it and if you want to see it, there's lots of tutorials out there.

As for the scorn, a lot of the scorn comes from misinformation (such as the stuff in your post) and this silly notion that having/getting a PC is "hard to do", and how exclusives hurt the gaming industry as a whole.

EDIT: I know you can do a $550 gaming PC that gets 45-60FPS in XIV because I did that very thing myself this past November.

[Sigma-Astra]

.....You're kind of losing me that $299 for a PS4 is "ridiculously overpriced" when you're paying for exactly what you're getting out of the deal. A console with the appropriate tech and specs to run ALL of the PS4 games made for that specific hardware. Of course, a current custom PC would be stronger than the hardware used to make a PS4, that's a no-brainer. You're unfairly pitting up something made in 2018 against something designed and made in 2013. Implying that the console is a scam would be akin towards it only playing certain games or coming with specs less than what was advertised in the beginning.

A lot of what GunksFoy said is pretty close towards what I was getting at really. There's nothing godly about PC's no more than there's anything godly about a PS4 Pro or Xbox360. There's no right or wrong way for a person to pursue either avenue.

Both are plausible ways to enjoy gaming and XIV and one way is not better or worse than the other really.

[GunksFoy]

@Gunksfoy: And you're overestimating the cost of a PC. You didn't need $500 in monitors. In fact, the very same TVs that you hook a PS4 up to? You could hook a PC up to too. So really you can't add the cost of the display to the cost of the PC when you'd also need a display for the PS4. And also, you skipped out on the PS4 Pro... I've seen FFXIV on PS4 non-pro...people on youtube have tested it, and it runs at 20-26FPS. The PC I built 5 years ago could beat that, easy. Building a PC with 5 year old parts wouldn't even cost you $300 today. And you didn't really need a $100 keyboard, the game is easily playable on any standard keyboard. You chose luxury and you paid extra for it.

You can, today, build a PC easily good enough to play XIV at 45-60FPS for $550 for the tower alone. Yes, it's more than $300, but yet at the same time, it will last longer and you can upgrade it later instead of having to buy a whole new one (like the PS4Pro) and if something goes wrong, you can fix it yourself.

As to "no need for knowledge of tech", there's countless youtube videos that teach you everything you could ever want to know about how to build an maintain a PC, and they have made it so easy, an 8 year old could build one. It's literally impossible to plug something into the wrong spot, parts come with manuals that tell you exactly how to do it and if you want to see it, there's lots of tutorials out there.

As for the scorn, a lot of the scorn comes from misinformation (such as the stuff in your post) and this silly notion that having/getting a PC is "hard to do", and how exclusives hurt the gaming industry as a whole.

I addressed your first point previously, if you want to capitalize on the investment, you want at least 1440p. 1080p at 60FPS is not significant enough for me to spend an additional $300, let alone 2-3x that. Thus, new displays. Though you may not have seen my edit. Admittedly, this is somewhat personal preference, but I don't consider 60 FPS to be worth hundreds of dollars. 1440p60FPS though, very worth it.

You're right I overspent on displays/keyboard, but I tried gaming on a $15 keyboard and it was horrendous. Membrane keys are bad for gaming, even if it can be done. I'd take a controller over that keyboard all day. Displays are going to cost a little bit no matter what. My 7 year old gaming laptop runs this much worse than my PS4 does, and at lower resolution, and it was pretty cutting edge at the time. Components get outdated just as quickly as consoles. But you are also considering that console players are upgrading every iteration, which is just not the case. I have never bought a mid-cycle refresh console. The only exception being an Xbox 360 Elite when my normal one got hit by lightning. The game is completely playable on PS4 and quite enjoyable for tens of thousands of players. You also don't need Plus to play this game, if we're going to limit it strictly to FFXIV.

For this point, you're spending $250 more at the outset, and then in 5 years when your components are 10 years old, you're going to spend just as much again. You aren't really saving yourself any money. And you can't use the same OS forever. Eventually MS will drop support and you'll need a new one. And you can fix many things yourself, yes, but those things often also involve buying new hardware, which can be as pricey as an entire console for 1 part.

Sure there are, but what if you want to just stick a game in and go? No hassle. Consoles are easy. You may not be able to slot something wrong, but you could statically shock a component and burn $200+ if you don't know what you're doing. Or bend the pins on an AMD processor. Many things to potentially go wrong versus a console that involves plugging 2 cables, maybe 3 for ethernet, into the back. Not to say it's hard, but definitely less convenient.

Nothing I said is really misinformation. It's all accurate, if somewhat subjective. Consoles have a place in the gaming market. End of story. No matter how much you may hate them. I agree exclusives are bad for the industry though.

To your edit, a $550 PC is cool and all, but you spent $250ish more dollars to get nothing more than 60 FPS. That's not worth it to me, and to many other gamers as well. BTW, before you start including the cost of PLUS and GOLD, you should know that in addition to online play you get 2-3 free games a month. I got $110 worth of games last month. Steam may be free but it doesn't do that.

EDIT: You keep harping on the PS4 pro, but that's like upgrading from a GTX 1070 to a GTX 1080. You didn't need to, but you felt like it. It's not necessary, just an improvement to your gaming experience, if you consider it worth the cash.

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Both are plausible ways to enjoy gaming and XIV and one way is not better or worse than the other really.

[Maeka]

Okay so you're saying that 1080p 60Hz isn't good enough, but yet somehow the 20-26 FPS from the PS4 non-pro is.

..... okay.

Sure..... I.... guess?

*scratches head, and shrugs*

[GunksFoy]

No no, I said it isn't worth an additional $300+ dollars compared to a base model PS4 for 30-40 FPS faster. you might have the money for a $550 PC, but not everyone who wants to enjoy this game, or any other game for that matter, does and the PS4 is there for them. It's also worth noting that you said you're using a legacy Win7 license, meaning your $550 PC would cost someone new to PC $670 or $750 if they want pro. And you can't even get Win7 anymore, so Win10 it is. I was very happy playing on my PS4. I'm very happy playing on PC.

[Sigma-Astra]

Okay so you're saying that 1080p 60Hz isn't good enough, but yet somehow the 20-26 FPS from the PS4 non-pro is.

..... okay.

Sure..... I.... guess?

*scratches head, and shrugs*

I play on a non PS4-Pro and have done EX trials and Savage content. It seems good enough for me! Even if I cap at 30 FPS on a good day. ^-^

[Maeka]

No no, I said it isn't worth an additional $300+ dollars compared to a base model PS4 for 30-40 FPS faster. you might have the money for a $550 PC, but not everyone who wants to enjoy this game, or any other game for that matter, does and the PS4 is there for them. It's also worth noting that you said you're using a legacy Win7 license, meaning your $550 PC would cost someone new to PC $670 or $750 if they want pro. And you can't even get Win7 anymore, so Win10 it is. I was very happy playing on my PS4. I'm very happy playing on PC.

It isn't worth $300 to go from a PS4 to a PS4Pro to get better than 20-30FPS but yet it is worth $500 to go from 1080p to 1440 (which the PS4 can't even do)?

I just find that weird. But ok. If that's what you want.

[GunksFoy]

1440p@60fps is a monumental increase from 1080p@30 or even @60. My opinion is go big or go home. If you're going to shell out the money for PC, may as well get your money's worth. Why would you spend more money to have basically the same QoL. And with your $550 rig (I noticed you skipped the bit about adding Windows), are you running your settings at Maximum and getting 1080p@60? There are tiers of PC, and if you are going to pay for it you may as well get a decent upgrade.

[Maeka]

1440p@60fps is a monumental increase from 1080p@30 or even @60. My opinion is go big or go home. If you're going to shell out the money for PC, may as well get your money's worth. Why would you spend more money to have basically the same QoL. And with your $550 rig (I noticed you skipped the bit about adding Windows), are you running your settings at Maximum and getting 1080p@60? There are tiers of PC, and if you are going to pay for it you may as well get a decent upgrade.

I skipped the bit about Windows because I reused a license. Same HDD, just new mobo and stuff. Just reinstalled and was back up and running in an hour and some.

I tend to not run on max settings, even if the PC can handle it, because PCs going at full chug produce a Lot of heat, and I'm one of those people who don't like sweating away while gaming. I prefer to go easier on my hardware so that the room don't end up being 90F+.

I'll tweak the settings until I get the most bang for the buck so to speak, to where the changes are too small for me to really notice during the heat of play, but yet cost much more resources. Same way I build computers actually; if there's a GPU card for $80, 120, 150 and the next one up is $300.... I'm going to go with the 150 one, thanks.

[GunksFoy]

Which is great for you, but it does add a hefty price for most people.

That's fine, I just ask because if the hardware you bought can't run at max and still get 1080p@60, you're losing even more of the benefit of the PC. If it can and you choose not to - /shrug.

That's a fine way to do it. You can pick up a 1050TI for under $200 and it can easily handle anything 1080p can throw at it. But PC building is much more involved and expensive than console, which is really the point. Nothing wrong with consoles, nothing wrong with PC, play what you can afford and enjoy.