[Request] Add alternative methods to getting old Feast rewards

[oLLiCS]

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It's a competition. Not everyone gets a prize. Wolf collars were introduced so people who participated in a season but did not place Top100 got a reward too. There are 4 different colored Hellhounds already. Do you know the circle of rewards for Feast? 2 consecutive seasons offer the same reward with the second one being recolored/slightly different. If you put the same reward in another season, I can already hear people crying over people placing Top100 who already got the reward from a previous season.
Those rewards not only represent that you made it to Top100. Those rewards also represent each season. So bringing them into another season is just...

If you're asking for Hellhound being released outside of Feast one year later then please look up my first post or my first sentence here.
The class balancing as of right now is pretty good and you see every class being played in top tiers.

There's one thing I agree on with non-Feast-people and that's Feast rewards should have no relations to PvE. I know Hellhound was highly requested by the PvE community and putting it into The Feast was not a good idea. Same goes for the Magitek Conveyor (the flying seat from the scientist in Ala Mhigo dungeon). I guess SE tried to make people play Feast but imo it was not a smart decision. I would have liked to see Hellhounds being the current primal mounts and the wolves as Feast rewards since Feast is wolf themed. But SE decided otherwise, probably because the wolf mounts are Okami style and match the whole eastern theme SB has.

[Ameela]

My only problem with Top 100 Feast rewards is that they're limited by time.
I get it, it's a competition and all that, but when you can get everything else in the game with enough time, work and money having this one thing locked out does feel a little bad.

[Tsumdere]

Alright see it this way.
If you yourself have been placed in the top 100 and got your rewards wouldn't you be happy about that?
Yes ofcourse you would.
And then imagine theese rewards that you had to fight for in a compedetive environment are just free for everyone,
would it make you go what the actual f***?
Yep. Totally.

No. I wouldn't be mad. This exact thing happened in TERA for an exclusive minion and I just went "meh". I had already had the minion for two years before anyone else and my worth isn't validated by pixels. I was happy other people got the chance to use the cute minion.

Think about it - none of this kind of top 100 stuff happens for any other PvP game worth it's salt. Not even League has exclusive rewards for top players. The most they have is the Victorious skins each season for Gold + but the thing that makes that work is everyone can get to Gold +. Not just 100 people. And the seasons also last the entire year. And there is ranked decay. Feast reward systems are terribly designed.

There's one thing I agree on with non-Feast-people and that's Feast rewards should have no relations to PvE. I know Hellhound was highly requested by the PvE community and putting it into The Feast was not a good idea. Same goes for the Magitek Conveyor (the flying seat from the scientist in Ala Mhigo dungeon). I guess SE tried to make people play Feast but imo it was not a smart decision. I would have liked to see Hellhounds being the current primal mounts and the wolves as Feast rewards since Feast is wolf themed. But SE decided otherwise, probably because the wolf mounts are Okami style and match the whole eastern theme SB has.

I agree with this point.

If they fixed the way you rank, made the seasons longer, and make the PvP rewards NOT requests the PvE players make, then I would understand exclusive rewards the same way I understand the Victorious skins. SE does not realize they will NEVER get these PvE players into PvP period. End of story. I cannot get a single person in my FC or linkshells to play anything remotely PvP with me. No amount of rewards will, and putting the stuff they ask for constantly behind PvP just serves to deepen the hatred they have for it.

[Rogatum]

So why we have people insist on making TOP 100 rewards available to everyone for nothing is beyond me. They are basically asking for SE to cheat for them. If people cannot get top 100 then frankly they do not deserve top 100 rewards period. The bar has been set. Either get top 100 for what you want or accept the fact that not everything in this game is made for you, pretty simple.

Before we going on I would like to say your point of view does seem fair, and understandable. With that being said not factoring in emotion or desire why is it wrong to make items available for everyone for different reasons? Just wondering.

Edit: To save on posts and clutter I update this post with responses.

People demanding these rewards for nothing is all emotion and desire. The see something they can't have and want. So they make demands. Don't act like the people who make these threads are doing it out of some pure principle. They see something that they might want and when they realize they can't have it, make thread and demand it for nothing. Plain and simple.

I understand that nor am I pretending otherwise I am simply asking you without factoring in emotion or desire what is wrong with making the items available to everyone for different reasons.

[Stormfur]

The hellpup was changed to a general achievement at the beginning of the season in question and replaced by a different reward that remains exclusive to this day. SE is committed to exclusive items.

Yes, I positively quake with envy when I zoom in on every hardcore pvp player character and see those exclusive EARRINGS /s

[Aviars]

Before we going on I would like to say your point of view does seem fair, and understandable. With that being said not factoring in emotion or desire why is it wrong to make items available for everyone for different reasons? Just wondering.

Edit: To save on posts and clutter I update this post with responses.

People demanding these rewards for nothing is all emotion and desire. They see something they can't have and want. So they make demands. Don't act like the people who make these threads are doing it out of some pure principle. They see something that they might want and when they realize they can't have it, make thread and demand it for nothing. Plain and simple.

There is a reason there are not constant threads demanding things like legacy tatoos/chocobos and artwork contest rewards. People see what they like and they attack the mechanism preventing them from achieving it. In this case PVP has appealing items. It's all emotion and desire for them. Not principle

Edit: slight typo

Yes, I positively quake with envy when I zoom in on every hardcore pvp player character and see those exclusive EARRINGS /s

But what about the hell hound mount?

I understand that nor am I pretending otherwise I am simply asking you without factoring in emotion or desire what is wrong with making the items available to everyone for different reasons.

What emotion and desire? SE said these rewards are top 100 players only and only available for a limited time. Items should stay as advertised. Top 100 rewards for top 100 players. And if you are going to claim that is emotion and desire, then merely implying right or wrong is referencing a emotion and desire. You can't sit there and say without "emotion and desire" and then ask me how it is "wrong" when objectively right or wrong is based on how people feel about it. At that point your question is self conflicting. There isn't much more to say to you on this matter. Find another point to debate.

[Alleo]

Why do we have to state it over and over again. Feast is a competition. NOT a grind.

Great competition when there is no rank decay thus people can just sit on their ranks, when we have cheaters and rank sellers and when we have people that are using their alts in this. Lets talk about this as a competition if stuff like that cant happen anymore and people have to constantly play throughout the season to keep their rank..

Also in a way it is a grind. Just a very timed one. Because as far as I know you can grind x amount of times and even though you have less wins in it, the sheer number of the runs might place you before someone that played less but won them more battles. And thanks to no rank decay some can grind it out the first time it comes out, then sit on it and thus stopping others from getting to their rank because they simply cant get the amount of necessary battles to match them. That is not competition. You dont do sports in real life and get on top by playing a huge amount of matches with lots of losses and then just sit there till the end of a season to place high.

Maybe we can talk about it again if they have rank decay and/or a certain amount of matches per season which means that only those with high win rates will land on top..exactly how it is in real sports.

[Nerini]

Should add other means to get those contest rewards from that current ongoing contest right now too.

[Stormfur]

At least the contest rewards are the same things made available through different events. Sometimes drawings...sometimes screenshots...sometimes poems or stories. That would be like making pvp rewards available through pvp, but also gold saucer, front lines, potd and so on.

[Rogatum]

What emotion and desire? SE said these rewards are top 100 players only and only available for a limited time. Items should stay as advertised. Top 100 rewards for top 100 players. And if you are going to claim that is emotion and desire, then merely implying right or wrong is referencing a emotion and desire. You can't sit there and say without "emotion and desire" and then ask me how it is "wrong" when objectively right or wrong is based on how people feel about it. At that point your question is self conflicting. There isn't much more to say to you on this matter. Find another point to debate.

You are getting slightly combative, I am being civil here no need to be combative. When I used the word wrong I was using it the context of breaking an established rule or agreement, no so much as emotion. Is it fair to say your established rule / agreement is based around an agreement between the PvP community and Square Enix? If that is the case in theory if square were to alter the agreement, would you have an issue with it? Or is Square not free to make alterations to the agreement? Would it be fair it the alternations were meant for future rewards only?

Edit: Not here to debate, more so have a friendly discussion. Figured enough people were being hostile towards you so why add to the crowd.