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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviars View Post
    If you accept the fact that cheating and rmt negatively affect Ultimate(and other similar content) by devaluing their achievement then you know very well that offering alternative methods that are easier than achieving top 100 is devaluing said achievements in the same way. It makes competition for the top 100 moot, why do it if others can just get it for nothing? The logic applies to rmt and cheating making Ultimate clears viewed with skepticism. Just with your version with top 100 rewards it would be sanctioned by SE. Would you say the same thing if SE somehow accepted cheating and rmt that it would be legitimate? Of course you wouldn't.

    Now that you have accepted that people's achievements can be harmed by outside sources, there really isn't much more to talk to you about. Your entire argument is based on how it's "just a game" and "only you can belittle your own achievement" which you just so happened to argue against.
    Personally no matter what people do to get their Ultimate kills it does not detract from my groups progress (have yet to kill either one) and when we do get our first kill no matter how long it takes it nothing will devalue that achievement to our group personally. If people think less of our kill because it was late so be it, does not have any impact on me. Even if they nerfed the hell out of Ultimate and created a story mode version, as long as they left an option to tackle it in its original state I would not be bothered.

    Either way I do find it odd how you feel adding alternative methods to getting odd pvp items has the same weight as cheating.

    Another thing I would love if SE offered a legitimized version of RMT, would give me something to use this gil on. If they made it so people with extra cash could buy crystal and sell it on the marketboard for gil I would be for that idea.

    So I do not see where I accept that outside sources can impact ones achievements. I did say that certain things have been proven to have an negative impact on the game itself people leaving and such. Though say if hardcore pvpers did stop playing pvp due to the alternative means who is to say that because of that alternative means other players would not make up for those that stopped playing due to the change. At the core yeah it is just a game, if you want to leave because things may become easier fine, but that is a choice you have to make and is not one anyone cares about. That is all on you.

    I will say this might be because of my history, and limitations but I have never let any outside factor detract from the value of something I have earned no matter how rare or common it is. Be it ingame or irl. So you will be hard pressed trying to convince me that someone else can belittle my accomplishments. Way I see it what you are proud of will always be on you, sure some people will be proud of some odd things or possibly even sick but if they are proud of it they are proud of it. Sure for some outside feedback can have change how one views something everyone is different.

    In the context of a video game at the core it just boils down to the fact that one side wants the item, if someone is willing to pay someone whatever amount of money for something that is their choice and if they resort to cheating and get caught they will reap whatever consequences comes their way. I get what you are trying to do / say but I do not think the potential of poor behavior or misconduct is enough to lock people out of certain things. Nor do I feel cheating and misconduct are valid reasons to undermine achievements earned.

    On a side note I am personally all for a story mode version for ultimate fights, while I do not understand the why someone would want such a thing, if it is possible and fits within the budget in terms of time and money I say go for it. Just as I never agreed with SE removing chat from feast simply because it had the potential to harm another player.
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    Last edited by Awha; 06-23-2018 at 12:24 PM.