Ultimate hiatus feedback

[FiorelleLaurent]

I always find it sad to come in and read comments where players from other sections of the community actively advocate for less content for others. We're two ultimates in and there's been no impact to the content released for the more casual players in the community, and the positive effect ultimate content has had on the hardcore raiding community (and streaming community) has been immense.

Ultimate content is made using minimal resources (reused assets, art, arenas, bosses, music, etc.) but crafted creatively by talented battle designers. Patch 4.3 is perhaps one of the most packed patches in terms of casual content, with new crafting gear and Namazu dailies, a great MSQ scenario with a trial to go with it, Heaven-on-High and Eureka to come.

So let us have our one fight every six months that's efficiently put together and doesn't impact the casual player base in any way. I know not all casual or "midcore" players feel this way, and it's been great to see support from those who revel in the excitement of streams but don't participate, but there's definitely a portion of the player base that exhibits a sort of casual toxicity and entitlement that's sad to see.

[plamya]

The collective U-Turn that was the whole World 1st racers realising they've been doing the UWU fight wrong is my favorite thing to come out of the community.
So yeah more ultimate please!

[jameseoakes]

I always find it sad to come in and read comments where players from other sections of the community actively advocate for less content for others. We're two ultimates in and there's been no impact to the content released for the more casual players in the community, and the positive effect ultimate content has had on the hardcore raiding community (and streaming community) has been immense.

Ultimate content is made using minimal resources (reused assets, art, arenas, bosses, music, etc.) but crafted creatively by talented battle designers. Patch 4.3 is perhaps one of the most packed patches in terms of casual content, with new crafting gear and Namazu dailies, a great MSQ scenario with a trial to go with it, Heaven-on-High and Eureka to come.

So let us have our one fight every six months that's efficiently put together and doesn't impact the casual player base in any way. I know not all casual or "midcore" players feel this way, and it's been great to see support from those who revel in the excitement of streams but don't participate, but there's definitely a portion of the player base that exhibits a sort of casual toxicity and entitlement that's sad to see.

I know I'll make my self even more unpopular with this but I don't think it's fair to say there's been no loss of content due to ultimate. Whether we would have got something worthwhile instead is debatable.
I also think the entitlement argument cuts both way with a small part of the player base expecting regular content that is only ever doable by them.

[Remedi]

The only reasonable loss of content that can be attribuited to Ultima is only 1 rehashed dungeon and frankly atm dungeon content is lacking in quality. If them cutting down quanity will also culminate in increased quality that's all the better I say

[Emileigh]

I also think the entitlement argument cuts both way with a small part of the player base expecting regular content that is only ever doable by them.

part of the reason why it is an issue is because they told us that we were going to be getting these fights every off patch. Which would total 3 fights. The expectation was brought on by them, and then suddenly revoked. They did remove a few dungeons in order to make this content. Content that they emphasized in live letters was going to be resource light by reusing all of their old assets.
If they are going to be removing things from the game as they have, they should show that those resources are being used effectively. But this is just a straight loss for both sides. We have lost additional dungeons and we have lost the ultimate fight they said they were doing in it's stead.

There shouldn't be debate over making the ultimate fights to begin with. The fights are exactly what the hardcore community has been longing for ever since savage's difficulty was reduced. it has been great in other areas outside the hardcore community as well. We should be avocating for more good content, not less.

You are also claiming that the content is only ever doable by a very small portion of the playersbase, and if by doable you mean cleared. Then yes. But the effects of savage extend much further than just the people who can clear it, and that is one of our points here.
With some effort and persistence, it is possible for everyone to make it through the savage fights. Many casual and midcore statics, after they end up clearing the savage tier, like to go in without any expectation to clear. They do this to have fun, to challenge themselves, and have something new to do. There are many people in this thread who have said the same thing. And I personally have friends who do this as well.
Then you have people who arent interested in even going in themselves who love to watch others go in. Do either of these groups of people not matter? Taking away this content is taking away their fun and enjoyment as well, and I think it is really sad.

[Akava]

I strongly agree with the original post. There's always been some group that's been left out in the cold.

In ARR, casual players missed out on the side story raiders got to see.
In Heavensward, mid-core groups crumbled for the first two tiers and then hardcore groups got bored with the final tier.
Stormblood suddenly had raid content for everyone and it was awesome.

If Ultimate is too tough to keep release every odd patch, there should be at least something that hardcore players can strive for. Heaven On High could have been that content. Primals could be that content. Even the current raid tiers can be that content.

All hardcore players are asking for is something challenging and fun for them to do. They shouldn't be the only group sacrificed as Stormblood comes to a close.

[DDkiki]

Good riddance.

2 per expansion is enough.

[Pyro2hell3]

I'm pretty sure people would be happy with just one more ultimate added at some point in the next raid tier even s non hardcore raider who like most of the people in my static got started on sigma raiding really late (we just reached enrage on os7 yesterday) ultimate as some appeal its some distant point on the horizon I will someday reach and when we do get there and mainly jsut spend our time there failing we'll still be having fun

[Maxmaximillian]

As someone still working through the early stages of Ultimate Ultima, I strongly agree with the original post. I love the excitement these super hard fights produce in the community, and the buzz it creates around the game. This kind of challenging content is what I want to see more of from FF14.

[Ayer2015]

You realize servers are dead at the moment right? Ultimate services such a small segment of the game population.