Being a bad mentor(we should be able to report ppl for being a bad mentor)

[RiyahArp]

It doesn't really help sebazy. The problem really is "seeing" the mechanic as it unfolds. Thats from pure repetition, and a decent amount of people need a lot of tries to reach that. You can know everything is coming, but maybe because the mechanic is slightly randomized or what have you the mentor will hit a point where the player gets the mechanic conceptually but they just cant see it well enough to react. Especially if the time to react to it is short and requires preplanning. This is kind of why hard content struggles to find a large audience.

I think they should just make an ex roulette and let people opt into doing that instead.

[NorthernLadMSP]

The mount is there as a reward to do 2,000 mentor roulettes, which can mean helping new players.

If you are disgusted by helping new players, then you have no right to the mount. Simple as that.

Some of the comments I've seen in this thread disgust me, and there are plenty of people who should feel ashamed of themselves (but won't because they're too self involved).

[Crystal_Raven]

The mount is there as a reward to do 2,000 mentor roulettes, which can mean helping new players.

If you are disgusted by helping new players, then you have no right to the mount. Simple as that.

Some of the comments I've seen in this thread disgust me, and there are plenty of people who should feel ashamed of themselves (but won't because they're too self involved).

Most new players don't deserve help. I've ran into plenty of new players I went out of my way to have booted from the party just because they do not want to learn. They want to be carried through the game.

Those that actually want to learn, happily help them. But the majority just want and expect to be carried because they pay for the same sub we all do.

[NephthysVasudan]

Most new players don't deserve help. I've ran into plenty of new players I went out of my way to have booted from the party just because they do not want to learn. They want to be carried through the game.

Those that actually want to learn, happily help them. But the majority just want and expect to be carried because they pay for the same sub we all do.

*facepalm*

[NorthernLadMSP]

Most new players don't deserve help. I've ran into plenty of new players I went out of my way to have booted from the party just because they do not want to learn. They want to be carried through the game.

Those that actually want to learn, happily help them. But the majority just want and expect to be carried because they pay for the same sub we all do.

Sorry, but this is an overdramatic, sweeping generalization that is simply false. While I'm sure there are new players that feel they should be carried and handed things for no effort, there are plenty of old-timers that act the same way. So, this does not go hand-in-hand with simply being new to the game.

[RubixCube]

Some of the comments I've seen in this thread disgust me, and there are plenty of people who should feel ashamed of themselves (but won't because they're too self involved).

Someone commented on it previously, but I’m inclined to believe those yelling the loudest are guilty of the same behaviour as the Mentor being complained about. Quite a bit of victim blaming towards the OP.

[Crystal_Raven]

*facepalm*

Read everything and think before you respond.

[HyoMinPark]

It doesn't really help sebazy. The problem really is "seeing" the mechanic as it unfolds. Thats from pure repetition, and a decent amount of people need a lot of tries to reach that. You can know everything is coming, but maybe because the mechanic is slightly randomized or what have you the mentor will hit a point where the player gets the mechanic conceptually but they just cant see it well enough to react. Especially if the time to react to it is short and requires preplanning. This is kind of why hard content struggles to find a large audience.

I think there are also a few more issues to consider with regards to Extreme primals, especially the older ones:

—A lot of people received their first-time clears in unsynced runs, be it at level 60 or level 70. This, in turn, is going to drastically change how they learned the fights, as they’re all significantly different when you run them synced down. Another alternative is that they learned and cleared them at a stage where the content was massively overgeared—think of Thordan Ex. He would still kick your butt in 260/270 if you were careless, but you could skip the entirety of his last phase, therefore never learning how to deal with it. Should this ever crop up in a Mentor Roulette Thordan Ex, there may be some issues. The same applies to Lakshmi Ex. I cleared her at launch in a mixture of 290 and 300 gear and haven’t done her since, but apparently you skip just about everything in 350~370 gear now.
—People that learned the older primals synced or at-release may forget how the fights go. Either from not doing them as often now, or from farming them repeatedly in an unsynced fashion, by it by Wonderous Tails, helping friends/FC mates clear or farm for ponies/birds, etc.. I did all the ARR primals at-level, but I have forgotten a lot of the smaller mechanics that you just don’t see anymore or need to really care about seriously in unsynced clears.
—People learn in different ways and at different paces. Both you and Sebazy have addressed this. For some, reading a guide or watching a video is enough to put things in practice. For others, it is not. For example, I can only really learn by doing. I can get a theoretical knowledge of how mechanics function from reading guides, but doing the content is what teaches me the best. Because then I can learn timings and how to active deal with them, instead of therorectically.
—There is a lack of patience that I have noticed in Mentor Roulette when Ex primals come up. A lot of this comes from a multitude of factors, and the Mentor OP mentioned in their opening post is one of them: time contraints, unwillingness to teach, unwillingness to listen, unwillingness to learn, and, as mentioned before, forgetting mechanics all contribute to this lack of patience.

With regards to the hard content audience, I honestly think it’s due more to lack of interest, not from the inherent design of needing to make snap judgments. Extremes and Savage as they currently stand are far more forgiving than they have been in the past: Byakko Extreme is an...well, extreme...example of this. Compare him to Sephirot Ex or Thordan Ex. He’s a chump compared to them (he’s even a chump compared to Tsuku). Even my favorite primal (Sophia) is a chump compared to her two predecessors. With Savage (we’re ignoring Gordias because the developers already admitted that they failed to properly tune the content, and we’ve had these discussions before), just look at Midas compared to Creator or Delta/Sigmascape. Brute Justice laughs at Neo and God Kefka.

Of course, it can also be from people simply not having the time for things like statics or learning Savage, or from lack of confidence in their own skill.

I don’t agree with it being an inherent design issue, so much as it may just not be a person’s cup of tea. Kind of like how PvP has never been something I have particularly enjoyed in FFXIV.

I think they should just make an ex roulette and let people opt into doing that instead.

This is a really good idea, and I would be completely behind that (honestly, I’d like a Savage Roulette too for funnsies as well). Would be something fun to do. The only issue I see is the speed of the queue (also goes for Savage Roulette). Mentor Roulette is still used for queue fodder, so it’s very likely that it would still be used to fill this hypothetical Extreme Roulette’s queues—just as it’s used now. Which wouldn’t really solve the problem that’s being discussed in this thread.

[Penthea]

Most new players don't deserve help. I've ran into plenty of new players I went out of my way to have booted from the party just because they do not want to learn. They want to be carried through the game.

Those that actually want to learn, happily help them. But the majority just want and expect to be carried because they pay for the same sub we all do.

You must have tremendous bad luck because I have found it to be the complete opposite in literally every mmo I have played for the past decade.

[Kerwin]

The mount is there as a reward to do 2,000 mentor roulettes, which can mean helping new players.

If you are disgusted by helping new players, then you have no right to the mount. Simple as that.

Some of the comments I've seen in this thread disgust me, and there are plenty of people who should feel ashamed of themselves (but won't because they're too self involved).

I got it because I wanted the mount. Simple as that. Take it as you will. Don't cry to me though expecting anything.