Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
Do you even tank? Tank stances improve enmity and reduce damage. Provoke will only put you at top of the list. Shirk diverts enmity towards target. What good would provoke do if they can't keep enmity if it's based on stats or gear? Tanking requires some type of common sense and skill, some people who know their Job can do i ( a very small hand full of players. ) Is everyone else suppose to slow down theirs?
you're not using Shirk right.

Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
False, even as a OT tank I have taken hate away from main tank using OT stance stance, or using non enmity combos. DRG / NIN /MNK and most jobs can easily over power a tanks dmg ratio if they are competent enough with their job and properly geared if tank is not using tank stance.
And this makes it sound like you've never played with NINs that do their jobs right either. An OT can't take hate away from the main tank if the OT Shirks most of their hate to the MT every time they come close.