So about Summoner...

[RainDurell]

...and even if summoner seems a lil bit yolo atm - its finally hella fun playing it, isn't it what matters in the end?...

There's no arguing with you if you think "so what if they're a bit op, its fun being op" is fine.
Enough with the "bias" replies; I tried UCoB with Summoner and I had alot of fun. I did Sigmascape as a RDM. I don't play solely BLM.
I didn't propose any solution, I didn't say "nerf smn" or "buff blm", I stated that SMN is dominating all other casters by a significant margin. Stop trying to claim it as "salty blm tears", I'm stating FACTS.
Look at the God Kefka logs. No Adds, no downtime, and SMN is just about equal with BLM. This would be fine if SMN didn't have any utility, but because they do, they simply do the same (if not more in mobility/add focused fights) damage as BLM, and have far more utility than BLM, who in turn, has NO utility.

Heck, let's stop talking about BLM for a second. How is it fair that SMN does SIGNIFICANTLY more damage than MNK NIN DRG BRD MCH RDM in most fights, while bringing about the same amount of utility as atleast half of them, and remaining absolutely mobile for the entirety of the fight? Isn't mobility and big utility the reason why BRD/MCH are designed to be weaker in personal DPS? Sure they have considerably better utility than SMN, but the margin between BRD/MCH and SMN is way too big if the reason is just having slightly less utility than them.

[Neela]

I'm stating FACTS.

oh u wanna talk about facts and fairness? than tell me how fair smns last 3 years past was, were they never took the slightest role in raiding at all? hmm.. but well like you opend your hypocratical post "enough with bias replies" k?

[Dualgunner]

oh u wanna talk about facts and fairness? than tell me how fair smns last 3 years past was, were they never took the slightest role in raiding at all? hmm.. but well like you opend your hypocratical post "enough with bias replies" k?

You mean the two years before halfway through Creator, right, because SMN was just as OP if not more during 4.1. And if you are, then it's not BLM's fault SMN was in that spot because BLM was in the same spot. Neither caster was forced to switch to another caster, they were forced to switch to MCH/BRD.

[RainDurell]

oh u wanna talk about facts and fairness? than tell me how fair smns last 3 years past was, were they never took the slightest role in raiding at all? hmm.. but well like you opend your hypocratical post "enough with bias replies" k?

The previous state of the balance between jobs is completely irrelevant in discussing the balance of jobs in the present. And you LITERALLY displayed your own unfair bias towards SMN just now.

[Dualgunner]

OP didn't call for a nerf or for a buff. I called for a buff so that RDM and BLM could be competitive again, which on its own immediately solves those problems DaulBan.

Also Daul, see his other post:

Heck, let's stop talking about BLM for a second. How is it fair that SMN does SIGNIFICANTLY more damage than MNK NIN DRG BRD MCH RDM in most fights, while bringing about the same amount of utility as atleast half of them, and remaining absolutely mobile for the entirety of the fight? Isn't mobility and big utility the reason why BRD/MCH are designed to be weaker in personal DPS? Sure they have considerably better utility than SMN, but the margin between BRD/MCH and SMN is way too big if the reason is just having slightly less utility than them.

I never said its blm fault

Regarding this, your statement about how for the past three years SMN had no role in raiding at all comes with the connotation that you're saying BLM did, when BLM didn't either. Basically, it sounds like you're saying "Not being in the meta as a caster" is uniquely a SMN issue they dealt with, which is why I responded with what I did.