[Request] Can we have more race-specific hairstyles?

[Alleo]

Side 1: I want more and I don't care if it looks like an intern vomited it up. SE has it hard enough already!
Side 2: I want something that actually fits on my race.

It wouldn't have bankrupted them to make tails work too, especially with adding a second race with one.

Being race specific would not necessarily mean that they are more fitting. They could still be "vomited out" but now also restricted so you wont get the choice anymore and maybe another race will suddenly have quite good hairstyles while your race will get worse. Honestly hairstyles being there for all races does not mean that they need to look so bad for certain races..it just means that SE seriously need to make sure that they do look good on every race and if necessary change some parts for specific races.

[Tsumdere]

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Au Ra racial hairstyle uses the hime cut which is a Japanese style. Xaela, which are very clearly Mongolian, can use this Japanese hairstyle. Also, Doma is not supposed to be Japan. Doma is China/Asian Fusion while Hingashi is Japan. This does not change the fact that Yotsuyu is not Au Ra, but can use Au Ra hairstyles. You can use the Doma excuse, but then why cannot Roes and Hyurs use it as well if it is Doman/Hingashin as shown by Yotsuyu? There is more of them in Doma/Hingashi than there is Au Ra.

And I am not going to even try to respond to the heavy straw manning in here because it boggles me. No one is asking for low quality hairstyles... In fact, some people including myself think that certain race's specific styles are the worst in the game (male Au Ra/Miqo'te... looking at you)

[MOZZYSTAR]

Au Ra racial hairstyle uses the hime cut which is a Japanese style. Xaela, which are very clearly Mongolian, can use this Japanese hairstyle.

Au Ra is Au Ra. I think the only time they segregated hairstyles between clans and not races was for midlander and highlander (which is kinda strange). Yotsuyu is a Hyur and I mentioned earlier that Doma is home to many races (hyur being one), which is why the Hime style would make sense of being a general style.

Doma has at least four races (Au Ra, Hyur, Roe, and Lupin) so it would make sense for the hime cut to be generalised and not race specific.

P.S. I know Yanxia is supposed to be inspired by China, but I was thinking of the Doma castle area in specific. So, thank you for the correction.

[Magic-Mal]

The hime cut is cultural to a RL race (Asian, or more specifically Japanese) at a certain period, not to an FF race. Doma (based on Japan) is not a race, it's a country. Doma has at least four races (Au Ra, Hyur, Roe, and Lupin) so it would make sense for the hime cut to be generalised and not race specific. So, no, it doesn't support the other side.

Yes it does lol. I wasn't talking about race. You're argument is about enhancing the culture of the races by giving race-specific hairstyles. Not the races of the culture. And culture is something that can be embraced by anyone and everyone. It's exactly why I mentioned Doma and exactly why I mentioned beast tribes. A racial trait worthy of being locked to a race is having a tail. That's genetic. All races have the same hair. Not everyone has a tail. And yes Hime cut isn't generalized so it's a problem because it's locked.

I understand why people don't like the "arbitrary" lock, but if you don't like seeing various cultures expressed through clothes, hair, et cetera, then I'm guess you're not a fan of many fantasies because they almost always express various clans/races through various looks. I personally don't get why one wouldn't want to see more elvish hairstyles for elezens, or more tribalesque styles for miqo'te, or more turnip hair for lala (joking), et cetera. But hey, to each their own, yenno?

If by "other fantasies" you mean "other MMOs" then yes I don't like them. I never played any of them and the moment I hear of locks any interest is gone. I like having control of how I play the game. FFXIV is doing that really well compared to other games. It needs to fix some genderlocks on glamours that's it. Whole jobs aren't locked to certain races for the sake of "culture" thank goodness.

Nobody said they didn't want to see more elvish hair for Elezen or tribalish hair for Miqo'te. People just don't want it LOCKED to Elezen or Miqo'te.

[MOZZYSTAR]

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Well, those are your opinions and I've already stated mine countless times. I think we can agree that we understand what we're both saying, we just have vastly different opinions/likes/wants. At this point, I think we'd just be beating the horse to death and running in circles over the same thing if we continue back and forth, so we can just leave it at that. Your posts have been pretty interesting to read and respond to, so thank you for the chat. ♪ (It might not be mutual, but I've come to like you, lol!) It does make me question if I truly care whether or not styles are locked, but at the same time I do think it would be cool if they were (racially locked) because we already have a few (very few) styles that are race-locked while there are a plethora of styles that are not locked.

[Vespar]

@OP...

[Limonia]

I do think it would be cool if they were (racially locked) because we already have a few (very few) styles that are race-locked while there are a plethora of styles that are not locked.

So actually you only want hairstyles to be race-locked for the sake of being race-locked?

What do you think about the arguments made in this thread about races that share the same culture and about the fact that out characters are world-traveling adventurers that see all kinds of cultures?

Personally, I think it would be really nice if they gave the different races some things that define their cultures more. Just not with hairstyles and clothes. Because I don't think it would work in this game, lore-wise. Races and cultures are quite mixed. Other than a few exceptions (like some Miqo'te and Xaela tribes), every race and clan could actually have very similar hairstyles.

New hairstyles that are fitting for specific cultures would be really nice to have, but shouldn't be locked to a specific race because most other races would probably come in touch with them quite often, so it would actually be strange if they couldn't have those hairstyles.

[MOZZYSTAR]

So actually you only want hairstyles to be race-locked for the sake of being race-locked?

That has been what I've been saying. XD Thank you for finally noticing. While I've come to the conclusion that it's not worth getting fussed over (as in it won't make or break the game for me if it never happens), I think we need more racially locked hairstyles since we already have 40+ hairstyles every race can wear. /Repeats self like a broken record

Personally, I think it would be really nice if they gave the different races some things that define their cultures more. Just not with hairstyles and clothes.

But yes, I agree with this full-heartedly! It's pretty watered down for the most part. They even describe as highlanders being off in the mountains and yet I don't think we've ever seen that. We've also yet to see a keeper of the moon tribe (though, they're not really in a clan like the seekers. Interacting with a family to learn more about them would be fun.). Aside from seekers and Au Ra (I'll count the Raen bubble, lol), there really isn't much presence.

Because I don't think it would work in this game, lore-wise. Races and cultures are quite mixed. Other than a few exceptions (like some Miqo'te and Xaela tribes)

Elezens, in Gridania, were not very mixed for a very long time and there's still prejudice toward non-Elezens in Gridania (evident in the bard quests and I believe in some other quests). Roes seem to dominate Limsa and Doma as opposed to anywhere else, but I'll give you credit for that one, as well as midlanders. But I'm pretty sure midlanders were supposed to be just about everywhere these days.

New hairstyles that are fitting for specific cultures would be really nice to have, but shouldn't be locked to a specific race

Then why have racially locked hair to start with? Au Ra are the newest race and they have hairstyles locked to them as well. Surely, SE has a reason (and a valid argument for that is not "well, it's stupid," etc.).

[Bellsong]

Race themed hairs sound great! Race locked hairs? Not so much, locking for the sake of locking is just dumb imo, hurts glamour options for no good reason. I can get why they start of races with locked hair, even though SE has a habit of giving them really common/general looking styles that make no sense being locked... At least they gave us an alternative to the Au Ra's hime cut.

Also FF is really arbitrary about what is and isn't important to societies and cultures. Like for some reason starter gear and the hempen sets are locked, because I guess they're super duper special? Even though it looks like the same tailors made all of them. But then we can dress up as NPC's, the Heaven's Ward, even take clothes from the holy priests of ishgard and slap those on. Not only that but we had to do a bunch of stuff to prove ourselves worthy in the Azim Steppe but they couldn't care less if we wore their clothing before our trials were even complete there? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Especially the Heaven's Ward thing, like no one in Ishgard is gonna be messed up seeing a person dressed as that group roaming around? Really?

Just me rambling a bit but just feels like race locked things, clothes especially, are just a product of the time the game came out rather than having any design intent or reasoning behind them

[InkstainedGwyn]

I'm sorry but "locks for the sake of locks" just sounds like "I want to have something that you can't have", I don't care how much you try to explain it with very heavy-handed (and usually inconsistent) metaphors and examples. I very much do not like that way of thinking.

For all of the creativity you claim that it would enhance, it would also stifle a lot more. What if my character is half-hyur, half-roegadyn? What if my character is a hyur who was raised in a Moon tribe region because that particular tribe didn't feel like turning away an orphan child? I don't RP anymore, but a lot of folks do, or have character concepts that this would hurt. (And this is just one example of why I believe it's more harmful to creativity.)

I also want to remind you that you posted this on an open forum where discussion is the modus operandi. Subsequently coming in and saying "your points are invalid because I have my opinion we shouldn't talk about this any more" really... isn't how this works, and it makes it sound like you posted this idea simply to get upvotes and are angry that people are bringing valid points against it.

I think that race-themed/designed hairstyles which are available (with some changes) for all races is the best way to go. But for the love of god actually redesign them to suit each race, because this "one size fits all" thing is really tiring.