[Request] Can we have more race-specific hairstyles?

[Magic-Mal]

As for uniforms...-sighs- Considering this is a game, there will be hundreds of people who have the same hairstyle as your character, same colour as well so I don't really understand this argument. Is it bad for Domans to wear kimono and yukata? Is that too uniform, too? Or is that acceptable because it's somehow different? (It's not. It's cultural.) Think of tribal/race hair as yukata. It's just a representation of that clan's origins. People don't have to use them, that's what we have 40+ other styles for.

There's nothing wrong with having uniforms.. we have a ton of uniforms in the game. The bunny outfits, Moonfire ranger outfits, Resistance uniforms, every single AF uniform. The key is allowing anyone to wear those uniforms. Having hair a certain way can count as part of a uniform. All the people of a certain race will be forced to accept the hair they got(what if they don't like?). If they like another race's hair then tough luck..

[MOZZYSTAR]

There's nothing wrong with having uniforms.. we have a ton of uniforms in the game. The bunny outfits, Moonfire ranger outfits, Resistance uniforms, every single AF uniform. The key is allowing anyone to wear those uniforms. Having hair a certain way can count as part of a uniform. All the people of a certain race will be forced to accept the hair they got(what if they don't like?). If they like another race's hair then tough luck..

I don't think you quite understand... Every culture and every era has a "fashion," basically. Feudal Japan versus modern Japan, Victoria/Edwardian era, Renaissance Italy, et cetera. The "hime" hairstyle is part of a culture. Those are basically the things I'm asking for: more styles that would be applicable to our races' original cultures so we can have more to choose from aside from the very few that we have.

All the people of a certain race will be forced to accept the hair they got(what if they don't like?). If they like another race's hair then tough luck..

That's no different than with general hairstyles. You can't tell me that every general hairstyle is good or that you like every general hairstyle on your character. Every patch, we receive a new (or two) hairstyle and we're not always going to like it because like is subjective. What you may like, I may not. What I like you may not. What looks good on your avatar may not look good on mine, and so on and so forth. You see? The issue is no different between either or. And if they like another race's hair, then yeah, tough luck. After all, you do have 40+ other hairstyles to choose from which is quite an abundance. We do have locks on some clothes and sometimes that's not necessarily a bad thing (and I am mostly against gender lock but main because it's not very "equal." I was so happy I could get bunny ears for man avatar, you have no... no idea. Or maybe you do.).

Maybe we just have to design something every race that would be generally well-received so, while coveting thy neighbour (which is a bad argument to have, it's very shallow) will be a thing, at least you have nice things too, right? I mean doubt SE would actually take this into consideration and I doubt they would take any inspiration from designs we make (I haven't seen a hair contest since the adventurer style either), but maybe we can work together and come up with something we think would be awesome for our own respective (alt and/or main) races just for kicks. Or maybe it'll just incite more bickering. "I want that elezen's hair!" Me, too... me, too.

lol. If we go by your theory, what you are basically saying with the 2-3 racial hairstyles a year, for some poor schmuck of a race (either Elezen or Roe lets be real) gets their racial hair in... 6-7 years. Whomp. That doesn't sound right does it?

Well, it could be more, but people don't like sharing already as is, you know? I was trying to ~compromise~.

[Magic-Mal]

I don't think you quite understand... Every culture and every era has a "fashion," basically. Feudal Japan versus modern Japan, Victoria/Edwardian era, Renaissance Italy, et cetera. The "hime" hairstyle is part of a culture. Those are basically the things I'm asking for: more styles that would be applicable to our races' original cultures so we can have more to choose from aside from the very few that we have.

This example you give kinda supports what the other people have been saying actually. As you said, the Hime cut is a part of Feudal Japanese culture, and people who are a part of that culture can wear that haircut with reason. People like Yotsuyu! Who is a female Midlander, not an Au Ra. So if Midlanders like Yotsuyu can wear a Hime hair which is Au Ra-only due to cultural reasons, what would stop a traveler from being able to wear that hair after adopting or appreciating their culture? Much like us players getting beast tribe clothing, emotes, and dances after we embrace their culture. This is what people opposed to locks are trying to say. This is why they call locks "arbitrary".

When you lock something for no real reason(no other reason that wasn't debunked to death anyway) other than: "I don't want others to have it", that is when it is called an arbitrary lock because people cannot find a legitimate reason as to why they should understand the lock. If there was a good reason as to why a person can't wear another culture's hairstyle, people would understand. I promise you that. That's why you don't see threads asking for women's bikinis unlocked for men and battle job gear unlocked as often. Or asking for Miqo'te eyes on Midlander. Because those are understandable locks. Think of the bunny ears you said yourself! And I do understand. I hate genderlocks. Because it's usually not fair!(especially for males) There was no legit reason why a male couldn't wear the ears so people fought and fought. And now look! The guys have it

I hope this clears up my reasoning a little more.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

I support this, in fact the hair I use is racial specific. I've seen so many hairstyles get ruined by putting them on other races, but when tailor made stuff is created per specific race they come out looking so good.

[Alleo]

It's pretty simple, actually. The numbers (3-4 styles versus 40+ styles) were just to show that there are significantly more neutral styles ("per race") than there are race-based styles. As for the maths, all I'm saying is that instead of 10+ general hairstyles per year, they could do 7+ general hairstyles alongside with 2-3 race hairstyles per year. So, in one patch it might be 2 general hairstyles or it might be 1 general hair style + 1 race specific hairstyle (with the former being more common). The specific-race style they present that patch would pertain to one race, of course. It's okay for races to take turns, and it's perfectly okay for people to share resources.

The question is do we get that much hairstyles per year? I mean if a new expansion comes out we get a couple more but right now it seems that we get mostly two of them, maybe 3. Lets say we have four patches per year and two hairstyles per patch then this makes it 8 hairstyles per year. These hairstyles are already none gender specific and for every race and some are not even fitted. If we want to have race specific ones that are fitting the race perfectly we might not even get two hairstyles anymore..(since even the generic all gender all races one takes them too much..)

If we use your example of mostly generic for everyone hair and a few race specific ones you will get the situation that maybe two or three races will get one racial hairstyle per year while the others have to wait their turn for a whole year. If you say that half of the hair should be racial thus four racial and four for all you will have one for each patch but this is again only for four races.

IMO they should just start to give us more hairstyles per patch with masculine and feminie options and have them look good on every race. This way people should have more choice and nobody gets excluded for months or even a year.

[Iscah]

and about the Au ra horns in the hair they don't even match the Au ra main horns there is one white horn hair style for Male au ra and i think only 2 for females and its a completely different color scheme to the horns themselves be better off just removing them from the hair style completely and these horns are clearly minor since we can apparently just take them off when we want a different hair cut

I guess we're just looking at it differently. For me the horns seem like they should be there, and if there are no "Raen-coloured" horn options (and the one white option that matches neither clan) then that means that those horns aren't supposed to be the same colour as their primary scale colour.

I think they're an interesting design element for the characters that make them a bit more different than "just another human with animal ears and tail" - and I like how some of the hairstyles specifically work with them, eg. multiple plaits segmented by the horns.

And personally I don't change my characters' hairstyles because I feel like it's part of their design - and if I had an Au Ra character, even more so, because I'd be changing their body shape and not just their hair.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

This kind of topic will always boil down to two sides.

Side 1: I want less restrictions and more hairstyles regardless of the flaws.
Side 2: I am okay with restrictions if it gives us higher quality content. Less is more in some cases.

[Tiraelina]

This kind of topic will always boil down to two sides.

Side 1: I want less restrictions and more hairstyles regardless of the flaws.
Side 2: I am okay with restrictions if it gives us higher quality content. Less is more in some cases.

Side 1: I want more and I don't care if it looks like an intern vomited it up. SE has it hard enough already!
Side 2: I want something that actually fits on my race.

It wouldn't have bankrupted them to make tails work too, especially with adding a second race with one.

[PyurBlue]

Every culture and every era has a "fashion," basically. Feudal Japan versus modern Japan, Victoria/Edwardian era, Renaissance Italy, et cetera. The "hime" hairstyle is part of a culture. Those are basically the things I'm asking for: more styles that would be applicable to our races' original cultures so we can have more to choose from aside from the very few that we have.

Yes, every culture has their own traditions, but they're not "locked" to that culture. Absolutely anyone can take part simply by learning the culture.

Having hairstyles designed for a specific race is fine, I just want the hair to be selectable no matter what race a player chooses.

That's no different than with general hairstyles. You can't tell me that every general hairstyle is good or that you like every general hairstyle on your character.

This is why locks are bad. If your favorite hairstyle is locked to a race that you don't play, then you can only choose between hairstyles that you don't like. With aesthetics being a subjective topic there is nothing preventing a race specific style from being desired on a race other than the one it's intended for. A lot of people in this thread are like the Au Ra hime cut. I do too, I don't see how it would look bad on any race really.

This kind of topic will always boil down to two sides.

Side 1: I want less restrictions and more hairstyles regardless of the flaws.
Side 2: I am okay with restrictions if it gives us higher quality content. Less is more in some cases.

I don't think that's quite right. The issue I have with what you're calling side 2 is that I don't think restrictions have anything to do with quality. Give us high quality content and then let us actually use it as we would like.

[MOZZYSTAR]

This example you give kinda supports what the other people have been saying actually. As you said, the Hime cut is a part of Feudal Japanese culture...

The hime cut is cultural to a RL race (Asian, or more specifically Japanese) at a certain period, not to an FF race. Doma (based on Japan) is not a race, it's a country. Doma has at least four races (Au Ra, Hyur, Roe, and Lupin) so it would make sense for the hime cut to be generalised and not race specific. So, no, it doesn't support the other side.

I understand why people don't like the "arbitrary" lock, but if you don't like seeing various cultures expressed through clothes, hair, et cetera, then I'm guess you're not a fan of many fantasies because they almost always express various clans/races through various looks. I personally don't get why one wouldn't want to see more elvish hairstyles for elezens, or more tribalesque styles for miqo'te, or more turnip hair for lala (joking), et cetera. But hey, to each their own, yenno?