[Request] Can we have more race-specific hairstyles?

[MOZZYSTAR]

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It's pretty simple, actually. The numbers (3-4 styles versus 40+ styles) were just to show that there are significantly more neutral styles ("per race") than there are race-based styles. As for the maths, all I'm saying is that instead of 10+ general hairstyles per year, they could do 7+ general hairstyles alongside with 2-3 race hairstyles per year. So, in one patch it might be 2 general hairstyles or it might be 1 general hair style + 1 race specific hairstyle (with the former being more common). The specific-race style they present that patch would pertain to one race, of course. It's okay for races to take turns, and it's perfectly okay for people to share resources.

Needless to say, how SE would actually execute (if they ever executed) it is up to them. Believe it or not, we don't know how SE works and we can't control SE to work by our list of steps (i.e. "add to the most deficient races first and then you may add to the rest") or by our agendas because we really don't know how it works. My concern is not to fill up the gaps, but just to include more for each race just like more neutral hairstyles. The only race that probably don't need more "race/tribe/whatever styles" are midlanders because all of the general styles pretty much fit the bill for them.

So, in short: I'm not bothering to get into the nitty gritty like that. All I'm saying is in theory, the numbers say it's possible without sacrificing the continuation of general hairstyles that everyone wants and if - in theory - SE went by my formula, general hairstyles would still be prioritised by over 70%, which I think is more than fair.

Instead of locking hairstyles for the sake of "making them look good". Why not make hairstyles for a certain race but also wearable by others? I could never understand the whole "uniqueness" argument when if everyone in a race wore the new style they'd all look the same?

Am I the only one who hated school uniforms growing up or something?

Think elves from Lord of the Ring. Even fashion and make-up styles are different among real countries. In Japan, the liked fashion is a covered top for girls (so no exposed shoulders/chest for the most part) but they can expose a lot of leg. Meanwhile, it's pretty much the reverse in the US.

As for uniforms...-sighs- Considering this is a game, there will be hundreds of people who have the same hairstyle as your character, same colour as well so I don't really understand this argument. Is it bad for Domans to wear kimono and yukata? Is that too uniform, too? Or is that acceptable because it's somehow different? (It's not. It's cultural.) Think of tribal/race hair as yukata. It's just a representation of that clan's origins. People don't have to use them, that's what we have 40+ other styles for.


And I am still debating hair. /sighs/ I'm just gonna go back to doodling.

[Tsumdere]

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lol. If we go by your theory, what you are basically saying with the 2-3 racial hairstyles a year, for some poor schmuck of a race (either Elezen or Roe lets be real) gets their racial hair in... 6-7 years. Whomp. That doesn't sound right does it?

There is more neutral styles because shock and awe, a lot of people don't like race locked, there is no lore/cultural reason for them at all (sincerely, tell me what *insert literally every race here*'s hair is supposed to look like) and it takes significantly more time and resources to make 14 new hairstyles instead of 2.

[Magic-Mal]

As for uniforms...-sighs- Considering this is a game, there will be hundreds of people who have the same hairstyle as your character, same colour as well so I don't really understand this argument. Is it bad for Domans to wear kimono and yukata? Is that too uniform, too? Or is that acceptable because it's somehow different? (It's not. It's cultural.) Think of tribal/race hair as yukata. It's just a representation of that clan's origins. People don't have to use them, that's what we have 40+ other styles for.

There's nothing wrong with having uniforms.. we have a ton of uniforms in the game. The bunny outfits, Moonfire ranger outfits, Resistance uniforms, every single AF uniform. The key is allowing anyone to wear those uniforms. Having hair a certain way can count as part of a uniform. All the people of a certain race will be forced to accept the hair they got(what if they don't like?). If they like another race's hair then tough luck..

[MOZZYSTAR]

There's nothing wrong with having uniforms.. we have a ton of uniforms in the game. The bunny outfits, Moonfire ranger outfits, Resistance uniforms, every single AF uniform. The key is allowing anyone to wear those uniforms. Having hair a certain way can count as part of a uniform. All the people of a certain race will be forced to accept the hair they got(what if they don't like?). If they like another race's hair then tough luck..

I don't think you quite understand... Every culture and every era has a "fashion," basically. Feudal Japan versus modern Japan, Victoria/Edwardian era, Renaissance Italy, et cetera. The "hime" hairstyle is part of a culture. Those are basically the things I'm asking for: more styles that would be applicable to our races' original cultures so we can have more to choose from aside from the very few that we have.

All the people of a certain race will be forced to accept the hair they got(what if they don't like?). If they like another race's hair then tough luck..

That's no different than with general hairstyles. You can't tell me that every general hairstyle is good or that you like every general hairstyle on your character. Every patch, we receive a new (or two) hairstyle and we're not always going to like it because like is subjective. What you may like, I may not. What I like you may not. What looks good on your avatar may not look good on mine, and so on and so forth. You see? The issue is no different between either or. And if they like another race's hair, then yeah, tough luck. After all, you do have 40+ other hairstyles to choose from which is quite an abundance. We do have locks on some clothes and sometimes that's not necessarily a bad thing (and I am mostly against gender lock but main because it's not very "equal." I was so happy I could get bunny ears for man avatar, you have no... no idea. Or maybe you do.).

Maybe we just have to design something every race that would be generally well-received so, while coveting thy neighbour (which is a bad argument to have, it's very shallow) will be a thing, at least you have nice things too, right? I mean doubt SE would actually take this into consideration and I doubt they would take any inspiration from designs we make (I haven't seen a hair contest since the adventurer style either), but maybe we can work together and come up with something we think would be awesome for our own respective (alt and/or main) races just for kicks. Or maybe it'll just incite more bickering. "I want that elezen's hair!" Me, too... me, too.

lol. If we go by your theory, what you are basically saying with the 2-3 racial hairstyles a year, for some poor schmuck of a race (either Elezen or Roe lets be real) gets their racial hair in... 6-7 years. Whomp. That doesn't sound right does it?

Well, it could be more, but people don't like sharing already as is, you know? I was trying to ~compromise~.

[Magic-Mal]

I don't think you quite understand... Every culture and every era has a "fashion," basically. Feudal Japan versus modern Japan, Victoria/Edwardian era, Renaissance Italy, et cetera. The "hime" hairstyle is part of a culture. Those are basically the things I'm asking for: more styles that would be applicable to our races' original cultures so we can have more to choose from aside from the very few that we have.

This example you give kinda supports what the other people have been saying actually. As you said, the Hime cut is a part of Feudal Japanese culture, and people who are a part of that culture can wear that haircut with reason. People like Yotsuyu! Who is a female Midlander, not an Au Ra. So if Midlanders like Yotsuyu can wear a Hime hair which is Au Ra-only due to cultural reasons, what would stop a traveler from being able to wear that hair after adopting or appreciating their culture? Much like us players getting beast tribe clothing, emotes, and dances after we embrace their culture. This is what people opposed to locks are trying to say. This is why they call locks "arbitrary".

When you lock something for no real reason(no other reason that wasn't debunked to death anyway) other than: "I don't want others to have it", that is when it is called an arbitrary lock because people cannot find a legitimate reason as to why they should understand the lock. If there was a good reason as to why a person can't wear another culture's hairstyle, people would understand. I promise you that. That's why you don't see threads asking for women's bikinis unlocked for men and battle job gear unlocked as often. Or asking for Miqo'te eyes on Midlander. Because those are understandable locks. Think of the bunny ears you said yourself! And I do understand. I hate genderlocks. Because it's usually not fair!(especially for males) There was no legit reason why a male couldn't wear the ears so people fought and fought. And now look! The guys have it

I hope this clears up my reasoning a little more.

[Alleo]

It's pretty simple, actually. The numbers (3-4 styles versus 40+ styles) were just to show that there are significantly more neutral styles ("per race") than there are race-based styles. As for the maths, all I'm saying is that instead of 10+ general hairstyles per year, they could do 7+ general hairstyles alongside with 2-3 race hairstyles per year. So, in one patch it might be 2 general hairstyles or it might be 1 general hair style + 1 race specific hairstyle (with the former being more common). The specific-race style they present that patch would pertain to one race, of course. It's okay for races to take turns, and it's perfectly okay for people to share resources.

The question is do we get that much hairstyles per year? I mean if a new expansion comes out we get a couple more but right now it seems that we get mostly two of them, maybe 3. Lets say we have four patches per year and two hairstyles per patch then this makes it 8 hairstyles per year. These hairstyles are already none gender specific and for every race and some are not even fitted. If we want to have race specific ones that are fitting the race perfectly we might not even get two hairstyles anymore..(since even the generic all gender all races one takes them too much..)

If we use your example of mostly generic for everyone hair and a few race specific ones you will get the situation that maybe two or three races will get one racial hairstyle per year while the others have to wait their turn for a whole year. If you say that half of the hair should be racial thus four racial and four for all you will have one for each patch but this is again only for four races.

IMO they should just start to give us more hairstyles per patch with masculine and feminie options and have them look good on every race. This way people should have more choice and nobody gets excluded for months or even a year.