So about Summoner...

[TaiyoShikasu]

Sounds like a stealth give black mage a raise thread even though good players don't care about summoner having a raise.

[Dualgunner]

Sounds like a stealth give black mage a raise thread even though good players don't care about summoner having a raise.

Given the OP, it's more talking about how much more mobile a SMN is than either other caster (yes, SMN is more mobile than RDM), brings more utility than either caster (devotion and radiant shield (and sometimes contagion)), and most of the time, more damage than either caster. Even since the nerfs, it's still so good at its job that it makes the other two obsolete in a lot of ways.

[TaiyoShikasu]

So in the unlikely event this isn't a stealth give BLM a raise thread (which was a good meme), OP is disgruntled by how the job has been designed since probably the very beginning compared to other casters which get that sweet sweet mobility.

Sounds like the solution isn't gimp summoner, but play it instead. And if OP doesn't want to do that because they like black mage which good on them, they can still be king of trash pull AOE.

[Dualgunner]

More like OP being disgruntled one caster has everything. It outdamages BLM and outsupports RDM in most circumstances.

But yeah sure, everything's fine.

[Zerathor]

So in the unlikely event this isn't a stealth give BLM a raise thread (which was a good meme), OP is disgruntled by how the job has been designed since probably the very beginning compared to other casters which get that sweet sweet mobility.

Sounds like the solution isn't gimp summoner, but play it instead. And if OP doesn't want to do that because they like black mage which good on them, they can still be king of trash pull AOE.

I mean, smn has been the OP caster choice for a while and that's the point of the topic. You have to be blind to not agree with that.

And SMN is the trash pull king ontop of all their bs. If you're smn and being beat by blm on trash pulls, you're doing it horribly wrong.

[popotaro]

[DaulBan]

Utility would be neat, but it won't happen. If it did, they'd nerf their damage as well. Meaning a blm playing at maximum potential would be equal to a smn. How good does one shield need to be to be equal to being able to raise? It'd be a lot or have a low cd.

I mean neither DRG nor NIN nor BRD have raises and they're all meta, nor does MCH which is commonly the choice you have when choosing for the 4th DPS slot (between it and SMN). In fact having a raid shield means more LB from critical damage, which is meta at the high tier too so ironically it would be better for making BLM a one off weird pick than a raise would.

That aside, if you want a nerf to SMN to just make it so that HW meta is back in full force and indisputable go ahead, but I think people can be more creative with caster buffs than that. Whether its a buff to BLM burst to offset the issue of downtime or improved raid Embolden I don't know nor care, but there are options, and those should be explored before calling for the nerf hammer. Be upset with SE that they haven't buffed the job you're playing, not that they haven't nerfed a job you're not.

[RainDurell]

I don't understand how you assumed this was a "give him raise" thread. I love BLM and it's identity as a big dps monster. As was pointed out, my issue is that SMN has EVERYTHING.

[TelosNox]

Just remove Raise from all DPS Jobs. Would be better for everyone.

[Caduagm]

I don't understand how you assumed this was a "give him raise" thread. I love BLM and it's identity as a big dps monster. As was pointed out, my issue is that SMN has EVERYTHING.

... Play Summoner, then?