Lupin - make it a playable race!

[Nestama]

You're essentially suggesting they rework the entire game just to make Lupins possible.

Which is why I said it was unlikely (I also think it's still mainly just Ul'dahns who are 'scared' of beastmen. Limsa Lominsa hired Mamool Ja from 'The New World' to assist in rebuilding after the calamity). I also had any new race on mind and not exclusively the Lupin. If every new race is just going to start in the same three cities without any of the NPC's seeming to care what you are until you reach the expansion that race was released with... then I'm just going to go right ahead and say this is something WoW does better :T

[MOZZYSTAR]

Which is why I said it was unlikely (I also think it's still mainly just Ul'dahns who are 'scared' of beastmen. Limsa Lominsa hired Mamool Ja from 'The New World' to assist in rebuilding after the calamity).

I started out in Gridania... Gridania was also scared of beastmen. Limsa has Merlwyb at the helm so of course they grabbed those beastmen by the jewels and showed 'em who they're messing with. However, I think the citizens did show fear toward beastmen, like Sahagins, if I recall correctly.

I also had any new race on mind and not exclusively the Lupin.

That would be why I said "beastmen" in this sentence (as opposed to Lupin exclusively): Basically, that's what all the work-arounds add up to: too much work to integrate beastmen as playable characters and essentially retconning or hacking up lore.

then I'm just going to go right ahead and say this is something WoW does better :T

Good for WoW.

[Alacran]

Which is why I said it was unlikely (I also think it's still mainly just Ul'dahns who are 'scared' of beastmen. Limsa Lominsa hired Mamool Ja from 'The New World' to assist in rebuilding after the calamity). I also had any new race on mind and not exclusively the Lupin. If every new race is just going to start in the same three cities without any of the NPC's seeming to care what you are until you reach the expansion that race was released with... then I'm just going to go right ahead and say this is something WoW does better :T

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Models like this (and the current in game Lupin faces) are the reason i would not enjoy more beastial races as playable options in FFXIV (and yes i understand this particular comment was aimed at lore/ world integration, however not bringing up the technical issues inherent with their inclusion would be more than a little short sighted). I have attempted to cut back on my stance of negativity/ opposition to the proposed Lupin character model discussion because I know how little it was appreciated in the Viera thread. However saying WoW does it better will compel me to disagree. I stand by my earlier comments. The amount of work needed to make Lupin viable as a playable race in FFXIV is disproportionate to the amount of players that would actually use it. Even more so if the models were of WoW's caliber in comparison to FFXiV's current playable options.

[Corue]

Models like this (and the current in game Lupin faces) are the reason i would not enjoy more beastial races as playable options in FFXIV.

So you're saying because someone did a lazy job on a human rig they won't work? That's not even anything beast-looking. That's just a dog head on a human body that someone phoned in the animations for.

[Alacran]

So you're saying because someone did a lazy job on a human rig they won't work? That's not even anything beast-looking. That's just a dog head on a human body that someone phoned in the animations for.

Exactly how can the same not be said for Lupin?

[Alacran]

So you're saying because someone did a lazy job on a human rig they won't work? That's not even anything beast-looking. That's just a dog head on a human body that someone phoned in the animations for.

Lets be real here. This was not done by "some people..." This was done by Blizzard, a company with so much cash, development skill, team members, and resources that they are easily comparable to Square - Enix. The above (female) model in question is their answer to a beastly/ feral, race for their alliance faction. I think that it looks rather wretched and laughable, something that would look ridiculous in many of the armor sets in game (to say nothing of the cash shop items, purposely made to accentuate the human form might i add).

[Alleo]

Models like this (and the current in game Lupin faces) are the reason i would not enjoy more beastial races as playable options in FFXIV (and yes i understand this particular comment was aimed at lore/ world integration, however not bringing up the technical issues inherent with their inclusion would be more than a little short sighted).

I dont really understand this? So because there are strange movements in WoW means that we cant have beastly races in FF14? I am quite sure that you would find bugs like that in all games with all races. Also I for example only used WoW as an example to show that they can have "hair" with braids.

[Alacran]

I dont really understand this? So because there are strange movements in WoW means that we cant have beastly races in FF14? I am quite sure that you would find bugs like that in all games with all races. Also I for example only used WoW as an example to show that they can have "hair" with braids.

I never said we can't have them. I said...

The amount of work needed to make Lupin viable as a playable race in FFXIV is disproportionate to the amount of players that would actually use it. Even more so if the models were of WoW's caliber in comparison to FFXiV's current playable options.

[MOZZYSTAR]

So you're saying because someone did a lazy job on a human rig they won't work? That's not even anything beast-looking. That's just a dog head on a human body that someone phoned in the animations for.

I dont really understand this? So because there are strange movements in WoW means that we cant have beastly races in FF14? I am quite sure that you would find bugs like that in all games with all races. Also I for example only used WoW as an example to show that they can have "hair" with braids.

I am not trying to be rude by any means, but... how are these valid arguments? Are you resorting to trolling to win a losing battle or what...?

[Alleo]

I am not trying to be rude by any means, but... how are these valid arguments? Are you resorting to trolling to win a losing battle or what...?

Trolling? Because I ask why pictures of bugs in other beastly races from other games are speaking against Lupins? (And its not like other races cant have such bugs too) We dont know if its disproportionate to add Lupin because unlike other completely beastial races (who have completely different body shapes, movements and more), the Lupins are still mostly humanoid looking. They wear normal shoes, their hands dont look much different and the only really beastial about them is their head. Also they already exist as models ingame and we can already see them fighting as different jobs too. So the thing that they have to do for the players is more customization and emotes.

Losing battle? This is not a battle..this is just a discussion about a race in the game which some of us want as a playable race. There is nothing to win or lose..And for me using photos about another race in another game which might have some bugs sometimes is not really an argument for or against the Lupins..Honestly I just brought the Worgen from WoW in this discussion because some could not imagine that beastly races can have hairstyles. And if its too much and they wont add them I will be a bit sad but mostly fine. But if there is a thread asking for this I will surely add my comment and views in this even if it will probably not come. And if they dont decide to add a beastly race I honestly want more customization for the existing races before we get another imo boring race.

So please how is that trolling? Are you trolling because you want racial hairstyles which would be much more work and cost more money than just two styles for all races? You dont, you simply have that wish and there is nothing wrong with that. And there should be nothing wrong with us wanting something like the Lupins. I also understand if people dont want it but like you can point out lore reasons we can point out that we dont see a problem with certain points.

(And yes Corues post was a bit funny since Lupins mostly have just a beastly head)