Lupin - make it a playable race!

[MOZZYSTAR]

Which is why I made the (unlikely to ever happen) suggestion of having new races start in a different location and then move to Eorzea during the 'Envoy' quest (can start as any Class, but can't do the Class Quests until after you arrive in Eorzea. Envoy quest is level 14, if I recall). Like a newbie instance/zone for Ruby Tides.

Doing that would probably also open Kugane up for seasonal events (in the city).

While some games do that, FFXIV is clearly not designed for that as we unlock new areas and new level caps in each expansion. You're essentially suggesting they rework the entire game just to make Lupins possible. Basically, that's what all the work-arounds add up to: too much work to integrate beastmen as playable characters and essentially retconning or hacking up lore. On top of that, no classes start in Othard so no one (including Lupin characters) would start in Doma or the Fringes, which is where they would be acceptable. It still wouldn't make a difference if they were to then travel to Eorzea as an envoy at that time because Eorzea was still terrified of beastmen at the start of ARR.

[Nestama]

You're essentially suggesting they rework the entire game just to make Lupins possible.

Which is why I said it was unlikely (I also think it's still mainly just Ul'dahns who are 'scared' of beastmen. Limsa Lominsa hired Mamool Ja from 'The New World' to assist in rebuilding after the calamity). I also had any new race on mind and not exclusively the Lupin. If every new race is just going to start in the same three cities without any of the NPC's seeming to care what you are until you reach the expansion that race was released with... then I'm just going to go right ahead and say this is something WoW does better :T

[MOZZYSTAR]

Which is why I said it was unlikely (I also think it's still mainly just Ul'dahns who are 'scared' of beastmen. Limsa Lominsa hired Mamool Ja from 'The New World' to assist in rebuilding after the calamity).

I started out in Gridania... Gridania was also scared of beastmen. Limsa has Merlwyb at the helm so of course they grabbed those beastmen by the jewels and showed 'em who they're messing with. However, I think the citizens did show fear toward beastmen, like Sahagins, if I recall correctly.

I also had any new race on mind and not exclusively the Lupin.

That would be why I said "beastmen" in this sentence (as opposed to Lupin exclusively): Basically, that's what all the work-arounds add up to: too much work to integrate beastmen as playable characters and essentially retconning or hacking up lore.

then I'm just going to go right ahead and say this is something WoW does better :T

Good for WoW.

[Alacran]

Which is why I said it was unlikely (I also think it's still mainly just Ul'dahns who are 'scared' of beastmen. Limsa Lominsa hired Mamool Ja from 'The New World' to assist in rebuilding after the calamity). I also had any new race on mind and not exclusively the Lupin. If every new race is just going to start in the same three cities without any of the NPC's seeming to care what you are until you reach the expansion that race was released with... then I'm just going to go right ahead and say this is something WoW does better :T

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Models like this (and the current in game Lupin faces) are the reason i would not enjoy more beastial races as playable options in FFXIV (and yes i understand this particular comment was aimed at lore/ world integration, however not bringing up the technical issues inherent with their inclusion would be more than a little short sighted). I have attempted to cut back on my stance of negativity/ opposition to the proposed Lupin character model discussion because I know how little it was appreciated in the Viera thread. However saying WoW does it better will compel me to disagree. I stand by my earlier comments. The amount of work needed to make Lupin viable as a playable race in FFXIV is disproportionate to the amount of players that would actually use it. Even more so if the models were of WoW's caliber in comparison to FFXiV's current playable options.

[Corue]

Models like this (and the current in game Lupin faces) are the reason i would not enjoy more beastial races as playable options in FFXIV.

So you're saying because someone did a lazy job on a human rig they won't work? That's not even anything beast-looking. That's just a dog head on a human body that someone phoned in the animations for.

[Alacran]

So you're saying because someone did a lazy job on a human rig they won't work? That's not even anything beast-looking. That's just a dog head on a human body that someone phoned in the animations for.

Exactly how can the same not be said for Lupin?

[Alacran]

So you're saying because someone did a lazy job on a human rig they won't work? That's not even anything beast-looking. That's just a dog head on a human body that someone phoned in the animations for.

Lets be real here. This was not done by "some people..." This was done by Blizzard, a company with so much cash, development skill, team members, and resources that they are easily comparable to Square - Enix. The above (female) model in question is their answer to a beastly/ feral, race for their alliance faction. I think that it looks rather wretched and laughable, something that would look ridiculous in many of the armor sets in game (to say nothing of the cash shop items, purposely made to accentuate the human form might i add).

[Alleo]

Models like this (and the current in game Lupin faces) are the reason i would not enjoy more beastial races as playable options in FFXIV (and yes i understand this particular comment was aimed at lore/ world integration, however not bringing up the technical issues inherent with their inclusion would be more than a little short sighted).

I dont really understand this? So because there are strange movements in WoW means that we cant have beastly races in FF14? I am quite sure that you would find bugs like that in all games with all races. Also I for example only used WoW as an example to show that they can have "hair" with braids.

[Alacran]

I dont really understand this? So because there are strange movements in WoW means that we cant have beastly races in FF14? I am quite sure that you would find bugs like that in all games with all races. Also I for example only used WoW as an example to show that they can have "hair" with braids.

I never said we can't have them. I said...

The amount of work needed to make Lupin viable as a playable race in FFXIV is disproportionate to the amount of players that would actually use it. Even more so if the models were of WoW's caliber in comparison to FFXiV's current playable options.

[MOZZYSTAR]

So you're saying because someone did a lazy job on a human rig they won't work? That's not even anything beast-looking. That's just a dog head on a human body that someone phoned in the animations for.

I dont really understand this? So because there are strange movements in WoW means that we cant have beastly races in FF14? I am quite sure that you would find bugs like that in all games with all races. Also I for example only used WoW as an example to show that they can have "hair" with braids.

I am not trying to be rude by any means, but... how are these valid arguments? Are you resorting to trolling to win a losing battle or what...?