Remove role action Rescue : only a tool for trolling and poor gameplay

[Moogly]

Yesterday, a healer killed me by pulling me into an aoe, because he said I was pulling aggro on his tank friend and it was a punishment :s
I was pulling aggro on packs with scatter...
So you group with your friend, you take an afk after each boss, your DRK friend don't even use unleash and lose aggro on scatters even though I burned diversion and lucid, and the best thing to do is to kill me :s ?
After I warned him he'll get reported (since he clearly told me it was for the giggles and that some bullying wouldn't hurt) he was all like, "I apologized so GM won't say anything...." Like I cared, I asked for my kick : not dealing with trolls like that...
In the end, I didn't report that healer... because well, I have better things to do... but will definitely consider taking time to fill a report next time because I can't let a few toxic players ruin a great community that is already suffering from a few rotten apples.
I was trolled once like this, but that second time is the straw that broke my sanity, especially for such a retarded reason... also 2 people grouping together to be jerks like that... Wow trolls :s

Anyway, back on topic, I have rarely seen Rescue used correctly ingame. In fact, I think I only ever saw it used efficiently once or twice.

So far, what I've seen Rescue used for :
- Trolling (80% of the time) : pulling people into AOE, pits or breaking openers. I honestly don't care if you like to do it between friends, but doing it to strangers is plain rude. From my POV, this qualifies as harassement.
- A genuine will to pull people out of danger (19% of the time)... that actually fails and kill them. Lately, seen so many rescuing in tskuyomi ex.... healer rescuing people (or me) that were running in the right direction... to put them in the wrong color. And the sad part is they keep trying even if you tell them to stop. Learn about LAG dude ! It's not because you're seeing me in the void zone, that I'm actually still in it you know ?
- A successful rescue : < 1%

Also, looks like some misinformed people use a role slot for that useless spell, and leave out some spells that have much more importance, like Esuna... or even swiftcast ! Did a Rido lighthouse in which a healer was Rescuing for nothing.... and hardcasting all the rezzes !
And yes I did ask him, he said things like Rescue were more pertinent for this raid.... Rescue more pertinent than SWIFTCAST ? OK. Hopefully healer 2 had more brains.
I already have to deal with the game mechanics, so if I also have to deal with 12 y_o trolls.... dude is the game going to get harder and harder.

Yea, yea, ucob WF did some incredible rescuing, but you know what guys ? Most healers out there aren't Lucrezia's healer, and are far from his skill.

tl;dr
As it was predicted long before : Rescue is only used for trolling purpose or with very low efficiency - it's actually even counter-productive most of the time it tries to be genuinely used for rescuing purpose.
Just remove it since it is more and more becoming a tool for trolling, than an actual tool for healer.

EDIT:
So it all started as a joke :

Just put in the safety net for the rescue. Once cast on someone, a window pop up: 「Do you wish to be rescued?　(Yes) (No)」 then another window pop up after choosing either (yes) or (no) 「Are you absolutely certain? (Yes) (No)」

Would be fun...

But it would actually be perfect if we had the possibility to allow others to rescue us or not.
Make it a checkbox in game options.
That would solve the problem definitely.

Thanks Neri, lol

[NephthysVasudan]

I'm going to stop you right there.

You are wasting your time.

1: Report the player for griefing. - If the GM says no...then you obviously messed up.
2: The skill is very useful and properly tuned for what it can do. I've used it myself for helping my sprouts dodge some nasty AoE's.

Just because you hate the skill..doens't mean its wrong.....its how its used.
Deal with the root problem..not with the skill.

This is akin to saying Car's are wrong and should be banned because people get killed by them. The Car is a machine....the driver is the one who determines its use. And yes I realize cars can have defects/issues with it....the point is still valid as I've seen rescue misfire due to latency or other things as well.

Just because you've seen it abused..doesn't mean everyone else is abusing it...that's a statement out of ignorance.

Nough said.

[BluexBird]

You mention the success rate of Rescue being small. Well, I feel inclined to argue the the troll rate of Rescue users is more than likely to be just as small.

Either way, it doesn't matter. A troll is a troll. The fact that they decided to use Rescue in the middle of a fight and got you killed isn't worth fussing about.

That's like complaining about a tank using Limit Break in the middle of a fight that doesn't require using it. Or worse - a non-tank using Limit Break before an important Limit Break mechanic (Alexander). Does this mean we should get rid of Limit Break mechanics?

Also, a healer doesn't need Rescue to troll you. They can choose just to literally not heal you in the fight. You know, as "punishment". And then what? Are you going to cry about how healers should be removed from the game?

Basically, the point I'm trying to make is that the problem isn't with the Recue ability - it's with the player that decides to troll. And the way you deal with those players is by kicking them from your party.

[Vaer]

It's pretty useful in the new EX primal and helping BRD/MCH since they don't have knockback immunity or gap closers.

I don't see it used often honestly. It's hard to fit into cross skills with other mandatory choices filling up almost half the slots most of the time so that stops people from slotting it in the first place.

Shame that some people use it for trolling but the same could be said for Shirk. I don't think it has to be removed, just remove the player if they are intentionally doing it and causing problems.

[Vidu]

My statics scholar is using it in O6S to pull me back to the boss after I took that second whirlwind-thingie by myself. I like that. Dont take it away from me.

[NephthysVasudan]

It's pretty useful in the new EX primal and helping BRD/MCH since they don't have knockback immunity or gap closers.

I don't see it used often honestly. It's hard to fit into cross skills with other mandatory choices filling up almost half the slots most of the time so that stops people from slotting it in the first place.

Shame that some people use it for trolling but the same could be said for Shirk. I don't think it has to be removed, just remove the player if they are intentionally doing it and causing problems.

Reasoning its not used is A: it takes a role slot B: its got a 3 minute cooldown..its not like you can use it frequently..which makes the OP's point all the worse for it.

[Moogly]

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I doubt I said that everybody was abusing it. That's why I clearly gave relative % based on my exp.
It's roughly as I said, it's either people use it to troll or try to use it and fail.
Maybe you guys do use it right and whatever, I never said I never saw it used right, but the strong experience I have of that skill being used on me or other players around me is just that : trolls and fails.
And just lurk a little and you'll see similar threads.

@BluexBird
Your comparison with tank LB is irrelevant.
Rescue is actually the only skill that can be used to move a player character other than yours.
That specificity in itself is crucial, and is the one being exploited to grief other people.

[Emstidor]

Guess what OP? If he or any other trolling healer wanted you dead, he would've killed you even without Rescue, by just not healing you.

Your anger is understandable, but misplaced.

[Spiroglyph]

There's a hundred million ways to troll in this game, a lot of which come from use of certain skills and abilities:

From shirking your healer to smokescreening your tank to needless provoke wars that result in entire alliances being cleaved. Do any of these skills actually need to be removed? Do the harm a few players cause by using them outweigh the gains that these abilities bring to the table?

If you remove this people will just find new and more crative ways to troll.

Just report and move along, also you can optionally choose to point and laugh at the loser that chose to waste a role skill slot for something like this.

[NephthysVasudan]

I doubt I said that everybody was abusing it. That's why I clearly gave relative % based on my exp.
It's roughly as I said, it's either people use it to troll or try to use it and fail.
Maybe you guys do use it right and whatever, I never said I never saw it used right, but the strong experience I have of that skill being used on me or other players around me is just that : trolls and fails.
And just lurk a little and you'll see similar threads.

@BluexBird
Your comparison with tank LB is irrelevant.
Rescue is actually the only skill that can be used to move a player character other than yours.
That specificity in itself is crucial, and is the one being exploited to grief other people.

Yet you made a thread demanding its removal.
Can't have it both ways..make up your mind.
You're OP makes it black and white...taking the fence here just makes you look like you didn't think this through.
The title alone is clear enough of your intent.
Oh yes..many threads have been made. Tell me - did you bother to read them? I thought so.
Furthermore - You just contradicted yourself horribly in replying to BluexBird. Make up your mind already!
You condemn the skill for the "few" instances you report.
What's next? Demanding removal of Shirk because the Tank decided to dump enmity on you for a mistake?
Black Mage Aetherrial Manipulation to be banned because they brought a targeted attack to you and knocked you down?