DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[MoroMurasaki]

Okay now, calm down. ACT and the FFXIV plugins were made by 3rd parties. They have no obligation to make it available to everyone. Hell, they could even charge for it! Not all PCs are made equal. That's the reality of PC gaming. Things need resources. If you run more than 1 thing at the same time, you need more resources.

Did I say they had that obligation? Please quote me, I'll wait.

My comment was to Lunaxia who has expressed what I feel are unfounded concerns surrounding parsing and the community of people who do it then (in the quoted post) said that she was okay with parsing being done but didn't think it should be added to the game.

My question then is why would someone be okay with parsing as it is now (arbitrarily restricted by platform and/or PC quality) but not included in the game - it doesn't make sense. The only difference if SE added an ingame parser would be that everyone would be on equal footing.

Maybe read the thread you're replying to so you have context, it helps make you look less... like how you do now.

[KaivaC]

I think this is a step in the right direction but it still doesn't address the idea that players will be getting virtually no feedback on their performance until they reach the first part of the game where performance matters.

The bare minimum I find acceptable would be giving everyone a solo parser throughout the game that measures potency per second so it remains gear and party composition agnostic. This way the only ignorance that prevails would be willful ignorance - you would be presented with your pps relavent to average and top pps for a particular instance on your job. No names, nothing party-wide when it doesn't need to be.

EX and Savage would ideally get the full function, even only on an opt-in basis.

Fair enough. But with Yoshi at the helm, I don't think that would be possible. All the dev team will cite is that Koike Incident that they keep hiding behind as an excuse, in spite of other cases of harassment that should really garner their attention. Ideally, yes, I would love to have a full on parser that everybody can access, one that is supported by the devs and is maintained by people that actually know about it - preferably through official support between them and the ACT/FFLOGs team. But as long as Yoshi is there, it won't happen - not a full parser, at least. I feel like the middle ground that I quoted a page ago would be the best case scenario, at least while Yoshi is at the helm.

[Rikuide]

I have for years played final fantasy,...,"I HAVE" countless of times proven players wrong, & no salvage & ex fights are not a good example...In other words, numbers does in no way let you numerize persons knowledge or skills toward a win or a lost.

That's where based FFLogs comes in. Take your PLD on Kefka Story as an example. ACT would show me that you're doing the same damage your job could do at the end of Heavensward. However, with FFLogs I can see you don't use Reprisal or Shirk. I can see you use Divine Veil once in a 9+ min fight. I can also see that you don't use your defensive cooldowns nearly enough nor do you use Intervention at all. Now, it's story mode and you get the kill, however you make the fight more difficult/longer for everyone else involved whilst contributing very little yourself. That's what your "experience" is worth to a group. It's a simple concept; team game so why not try to help the team as best you can?

[Ryaz]

Stating "4K" is bad is tough because every fight is different. Sometimes DPS gets a lot of uptime, sometimes it doesn't. DPS is affected by party make up, mechanics, and communication.

For example, with my gear (only ilvl 361 mendacity stuff with tsuku weapon), I can pull out 5.8-6k with my Samurai on a dummy with no food or buffs. Put me in a fight against Tsuku and it can fluctuate between 4.3 and 4.9k (no food) because of the mechanics (slowed down due to suffering phase, get a moon symbol opposite of the main tanks, having to drop meteor, etc), or the tank suddenly deciding to pull her left instead of right during meteor phase without prior notice, killing my uptime. Give me a Drg, Mnk and Rdm to boost me up and I'll do more damage (assuming they use their buffs properly), give me a black mage, smn and another samurai, my DPS will drop. If I have to use my Third Eye procs to drop aggro with Merciful Eyes, my DPS will drop. There's so much that can change the way a fight goes.

But as others have said, the problem isn't people who do low dps. It's the people who don't want to learn to do better. People who want to learn will naturally get better at their job and learn all the tricks to optimize their output.

[Ruf]

That's where based FFLogs comes in. Take your PLD on Kefka Story as an example.

??? This almost looks like you spy & stalk me? Are you saying that you checked my performance on a third party program? Excuse me? I do not reprisal or shirk? For one, I do not use Shirk that is correct,so this right there almost confirm that you snoopin on me,for two I do not need to say why, i have nothing to justify there (I do not need to justify anything to you or even others) but my reply is to claim that if I really needed to I would, as you said toward me: it's story mode and you get the kill & you claiming that: however you make the fight more difficult/longer for everyone else involved whilst contributing very little yourself IT IS HIGHLY INNAPROPRIATED because there is far more variables to what you said, its not that i cant toggle stance as much as i want + who tells you I even tryed to optimise my dps at that moment? I am a TANK in a NONE SAVAGE FIGHT doing my job which is TANKING & DODGING mechanics, as far as you know i could of been picking up my boogers (My nose, My fingers.) while "you" were recording my stats...Divine veil once in 9+min? WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE WHAT I DO? If i dont divine veil at all that belongs to me, again was I mendatory required to do this? you speaking about my cooldowns or my use of gauge abilitys is completly misplaced as I have said before:

content such as savage content & what not when I dont even care about doing it myself + even if I was, you have no way of gauging my claims but by your intuition & other means that could be borderline limit,,,

Your example was in no way a savage or a several fights farming at all,that was regular (IF things were different maybe i would care, but they are not), & i have 0 care about what you typed even if you added numbers IT MEANS NOTHING "to insult me I would first have to value your opinion" for me to value your opinion I would first have to care that this random ass person online is worth the comments they made."
As i said already:

If I want to know my % I will ask ok? tyvm

&

take your logs & go home with it.

[MoroMurasaki]

??? This almost looks like you spy & stalk me? Are you saying that you checked my performance on a third party program? Excuse me? I do not reprisal or shirk? For one, I do not use Shirk that is correct,so this right there almost comfirm that you snoopin on me,for two I do not need to say why, i have nothing to justify there (I do not need to justify anything to you or even others) but my reply is to claim that if I really needed to I would, as you said toward me: it's story mode and you get the kill & you claiming that: however you make the fight more difficult/longer for everyone else involved whilst contributing very little yourself IT IS HIGHLY INNAPROPRIATED because theres far more variables to what you said, its not that i cant toggle stance as much as i want + who tells you i even tryed to optimise my dps at that moment? I am a TANK in a NONE SAVAGE FIGHT doing my job which is TANKING & DODGING mechanics, as far as you know i could of been picking up my boogers (My nose, My fingers) while "you" were recording my stats...Divine veil once in 9+min? WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE WHAT I DO? If i dont divine veil at all that belongs to me, again was I mendatory required to do this? you speaking about my cooldowns or my use of gauge abilitys is completly misplaces as i have said before:

The issue is you claim to be not new but you are playing in such a way that it seems like you don't understand your skills or role.

Let's take Shirk for example - assuming you were the offtank in the fight Rikuide brings up you can use Provoke and then Shirk the main tank to feed him enmity for no cost. This way he doesn't have to spam his aggro combo and you are helping to protect the rest of the party. Provoke will bring you up to right above the main tank in enmity for a second and then when you Shirk him you're basically giving him back whatever Shirk gives, I think 20 or 25 percent. This is something people would generally expect a tank to know and do, it's just a common courtesy to your main tank. The fact that you don't do it while claiming you don't need any help is... troubling.

No one is saying you are required to do any of this, the issue is when you don't do these things but then claim to be as or more knowledgable or skilled than players who, frankly, are playing better than you are from an objective standpoint.

Basically don't talk big if you can't back it up. You play like a newer player, that is fine, but if someone tells you that or tries to offer advice (as many people have, myself included) you don't get to snap back as if you are an experienced player who knows just as much. You aren't. You don't. Thats okay, everyone starts somewhere. No one will shame you for being inexperienced but they will shame you for being arrogant.

[Dualgunner]

You kind of opened yourself up for that judgment when you started talking about your "experience."

[Ruf]

The issue is you claim to be not new but you are playing in such a way that it seems like you don't understand your skills or role.

Let's take Shirk for example - assuming you were the offtank in the fight Rikuide brings up you can use Provoke and then Shirk the main tank to feed him enmity for no cost. This way he doesn't have to spam his aggro combo and you are helping to protect the rest of the party. Provoke will bring you up to right above themain tank in enmity for a second and then when you Shirk him you're basically giving him back whatever Shirk gives, I think 20 or 25 percent. This is something people would generally expect a tank to know and do, it's just a common courtesy to your main tank. The fact that you don't do it while claiming you don't need any help is... troubling.

No one is saying you are required to do any of this, the issue is when you don't do these things but then claim to be as or more knowledgable or skilled than players who, frankly, are playing better than you are from an objective standpoint.

Basically don't talk big if you can't back it up. You play like a newer player, that is fine, but if someone tells you that or tries to offer advice (as many people have, myself included) you don't get to snap back as if you are an experienced player who knows just as much. You aren't. You don't. Thats okay, everyone starts somewhere. No one will shame you for being inexperienced but they will shame you for being arrogant.

YOU HAVE NOTHING TO TEACH ME, & EVEN IF YOU DID, I WOULD NOT TAKE ANY ADVICE FROM YOU.
(So NO i wont talk shirk for an example with you)

[MoroMurasaki]

YOU HAVE NOTHING TO TEACH ME, & EVEN IF YOU DID, I WOULD NOT TAKE ANY ADVICE FROM YOU.
(So NO i wont talk shirk for an example with you)

Relax? >.>

Honestly, it's a game. I was perfectly respectful. Maybe don't cop such an attitude if you don't want to get it thrown back at you.

[Dualgunner]

YOU HAVE NOTHING TO TEACH ME, & EVEN IF YOU DID, I WOULD NOT TAKE ANY ADVICE FROM YOU.
(So NO i wont talk shirk for an example with you)

Good to know you hate your cotanks. And your team.

Here I thought you were a stand-up guy.