DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[Ruf]

I think this is a poorly worded comment and adds nothing to the conversation. In addition, I also question whether or not you yourself know what you're talking about.

You also have no clue Dual

[TaranTatsuuchi]

...
In other words, numbers does in no way let you numerize persons knowledge or skills toward a win or a lost.

A parsing program.
Let's take the most common one I've heard about, the one that can be uploaded to a site that stores and shows them...


It is more than just an overlay that shows how much damage a person is doing over a certain amount of time.


Those parser logs can be used to see exactly what skill everyone is pressing, exactly what attacks they are getting hit by, exactly which buffs/debuffs they are under, if they're hitting positionals... Possibly even location during those fights.

Someone knowledgable with those logs can look at them, and see exactly what someone is doing, compare it to what has been mathematically proven to be most efficient, and then see exactly why those dps numbers are what they are.

They could even provide advice to said players to help them improve their gameplay.


They are so much more than just, assigning a number to someone's skill.
Unfortunatly, not as many people know how to properly use the tools at their disposal.

[Dualgunner]

So because I tell you that you are full of elitism you claim everyone is dumber for reading what I typed? Again, Bourne_Endeavor, you have no clue, that was a childish reply,worst than mine

Honestly I would say you're the elitist here. You're the one who pulled the "I have more expertise in Final Fantasy than you XIV-only snowflakes, therefore my opinion means more." card.

[Dualgunner]

You also have no clue Dual

That was ruf to hear but I'll work through it.

[Ruf]

As I promised, I will keep this civil. I only ask you provide me the same courtesy. Now, you said 'both' earlier. I cannot speak of other people because while a lot of people do know exactly how to read FFLOGs, there are others who do not know how to read it properly

Read it Properly? I dont want to read it at all, take your logs & go home with it.Next I will claim CHEATERS!!! ___> /point

[HyoMinPark]

Read it Properly? I dont want to read it at all, take your logs & go home with it.

Okay, so since we’ve established that you don’t even want to have a conversation with the individuals in this thread, how about you just kindly bow out of it? Forum threads are for discussion, but you clearly don’t want to have any form of that with a response like this.

[Asiragan]

& no salvage & ex fights are not a good example if you are trying to counter argue deep rooted mechanics, often I dont speak about situational content, I am generalizing & if I care about something I will use Julyan Frypan to bash my point throught.In other words, numbers does in no way let you numerize persons knowledge or skills toward a win or a lost.

If savage content and ex fights are not a good example, what are we left with? Dungeon runs and Eureka...?

@TaranTatsuuchi is absolutely right when she says that parser provide much more info than numbers when you take the time to analyze.


Some anti-parsers on this topic have good arguments, but you, on the other hand, don't seem to even know what you are talking about.

[KaivaC]

Read it Properly? I dont want to read it at all, take your logs & go home with it.Next I will claim CHEATERS!!! ___> /point

Fair enough. A shame we couldn't have a conversation, but it is what it is.

[ShadowHunterrX]

There reason for no parsers is easy to see. Only people think parsers are usefull will never notice.

So why dont use some middle way, which benefit both sides. My idea is very simpel: Give the leader the option to turn on/off ingame parsers when selecting the Savage content. Yes, ONLY SAVAGE.

Why not DF ? Because there are too many morons use it to haress and belittle people like some people often do even on the forums. Most people dont care about there *numbers* and wanna have fun.

Dont wanna get bad people in DF ? Make friends then do it with them. Dont you have friends ? That's.... your... problem.

( I have never heard complains about my DPS. But i suck as SAM for my feeling ).

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Read it Properly? I dont want to read it at all, take your logs & go home with it.Next I will claim CHEATERS!!! ___> /point

So...

I have never used a parser.
I have never looked up a parse on that site.
(I have searched my character name out of curiosity a couple times, but I don't show up, so no one's uploaded a parse with my character in it.)



I don't know how to properly read those logs.
I don't particularly care to learn how to read them at this time.

But, I have educated myself about their capabilities and usage.



I was originally neutral on the subject of parsers.
I had no interest in them, but didn't have any reservations about their use either.

After seeing some discussions about parsers on the forums, I kept seeing the arguments for both sides.
And while both sides had their disagreeable people, I saw that many of the arguments against them were less sound than the arguments for them.

So, basically the anti parser crowd changed my mind to be in favor of parsing.



I took the oppertunity to learn about a discussion, even though it didn't particularly interest me.

Your response on the other hand, just shows a blantant unwillingness to even attempt to make that effort.