DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[Awha]

". . .[S]o I called them out on it."

It is nice that you acknowledged that you could have gone about it differently, just wondering what lead you to call the person out in such a way?

I am not going to pretend to know the reason for that players performance, as an officer in a FC that dealt with those rare cases of a few bad apples messing around with someone due to their performance, which was partly my fault since at the time I did not know that you could hide your logs on FFLogs so when I uploaded data of to look over ways to improve our play since we happen to carry our friends who have certain limitations that prevent them from performing at what many would call a suitable level. Either way one of our members got harassed since they tried to join a PF and lead to someone drama since those that harnessed our member did not know the context behind the gear they had yet the damage they were performing.

tldr: Was it really necessary to call that person out in that way? Could you have gotten your point across regarding incorrect statement without going down such a road?

[Lunaxia]

I agree that a parser is a tool like any other...

Actually, while I'm generally on the side of no official parsers - there are enough ego contests as it is and those that really care will boot up fflogs like they always have - an opt-in parser isn't a bad idea. Something like the duty recorder feature, where the party is notified of it and can choose whether or not to agree, would be pretty handy.

I don't really blame Yoshi for his decision, though.

[Ruf]

Parsers as in the tool, or as in other who see what you are logging. Let's talk about it. I'm being serious too. Elaborate on this comment, and let's have a civil discussion about it. Can you explain more on what you mean? And if you bring in the numbers that were seen on what you logged, I'll be happy to engage in that line of discussion too about what you may think could be wrong about what was quoted. Or if you want to drop it, I'll drop it too. It's up to you, but for now, you have my full, undivided attention.

both KaivaC.

[Dualgunner]

I think most parsers dont know what they are talking about.

I think this is a poorly worded comment and adds nothing to the conversation. In addition, I also question whether or not you yourself know what you're talking about.

[Ruf]

I have for years played final fantasy,if because you pinpoint ffxiv you think you are a special snowflake, then I am sorry to tell you that it is false, even if you are a mass of special snowflakes,"I HAVE" countless of times proven players wrong, & no salvage & ex fights are not a good example if you are trying to counter argue deep rooted mechanics, often I dont speak about situational content, I am generalizing & if I care about something I will use Julyan Frypan to bash my point throught.In other words, numbers does in no way let you numerize persons knowledge or skills toward a win or a lost.

[Dualgunner]

Neither does grammar it seems.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I have for years played final fantasy,if because you pinpoint ffxiv you think you are special a snowflake, then I am sorry to tell you that it is false, even if you are a mass of special snowflakes,"I HAVE" countless of times proven players wrong, & no salvage & ex fights are not a good example if you are trying to counter argue deep rooted mechanics, often I dont speak about situational content, I am generalizing & if I care about something I will use Julyan Frypan to bash my point throught.In other words, numbers does in no way let you numerize persons knowledge or skills toward a win or a lost.

... I can only think of one response to this because holy hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JohGniYph-c

[Asiragan]

Me on my end i'll say this, keep up the 4k ppl! If you parse low but dodge better,then clearly...I think you are better even with lower grade gears.Knowledge & skills\over cash shops & \over parsers &\over single class 24/7 play"At that point if you have both its the best of course... but!
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Huh... I don't really see your point there. A good dps will have high numbers AND be able to dodge. If he can't his dps will just sink badly and that won't make it a good performance. You need knowledge and skills to have a good parse.

I would even add that the really good dps can, and will, know what skill the boss will use beforehand based on the GCD they are on their rotation.


But why are you talking about the cash shop suddenly? It's not like there's an item that say "Pay $10 now, and gain a +20% for the whole duration of the duty!" (Don't do it, SE...). All of the cash shop is cosmetic, and have nothing to do with numbers. Liking/disliking it has nothing to do on this topic.

over single class 24/7 play

Sorry, can you elaborate on this part? I don't get it.

[KaivaC]

I have for years played final fantasy,if because you pinpoint ffxiv you think you are special a snowflake, then I am sorry to tell you that it is false, even if you are a mass of special snowflakes,"I HAVE" countless of times proven players wrong, & no salvage & ex fights are not a good example if you are trying to counter argue deep rooted mechanics, often I dont speak about situational content, I am generalizing & if I care about something I will use Julyan Frypan to bash my point throught.In other words, numbers does in no way let you numerize persons knowledge or skills toward a win or a lost.

As I promised, I will keep this civil. I only ask you provide me the same courtesy. Now, you said 'both' earlier. I cannot speak of other people because while a lot of people do know exactly how to read FFLOGs, there are others who do not know how to read it properly and tend to provide incorrect information as they do not know how to interpret the incredible amount of information that is there. Granted, with the thread title, even if I could change it, it doesn't account for the multitude of things that affect a player's personal DPS in battle.

That being said, the parse itself does give a pretty good general ballpark of where you stand on a particular run. Parsing is pretty much pointless outside from Savage and Ex fights, because it is that content where it matters the absolute most. It's a good tool for measuring where you are in dungeon runs and 24 mans, yes, but the bread-and-butter of ACT/FFLOGs would be in the high end fights, where every bit of DPS counts. Are these fights only about DPS? Hell no, because of tanking, mechanics, healing, and optimization. Regardless of this being a Final Fantasy game, this is still an MMO, and for raiders in particular, the endgame would be these high-end fights.

Onto the topic of you saying that parsers don't know what they're talking about - the program reads the information that is provided by the servers. Give or take maybe a small, negligible margin of error, ACT is actually incredibly accurate to the point that it will tell you exactly what you did, how you did it, etc. I would like to know how you figure that the program itself is wrong, though. While I agree that executing mechanics properly and dodging where appropriate is key to winning fights, DPSing is very important, especially with enrage checks.

[Ruf]

... I can only think of one response to this because holy hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JohGniYph-c

So because I tell you that you are full of elitism you claim everyone is dumber for reading what I typed? Again, Bourne_Endeavor, you have no clue, that was a childish reply,worst than mine