Lux Weapon For Red/Sam

[Gemina]

You can take that exact same journey without having RDM or SAM anima weapons. You can do it with any of the pre-Stormblood jobs, or you can even do them on RDM or SAM by just doing all the busywork of the anima quest without actually doing the quests.

Even if you assume people with a relic are generally better, I don't think that assumption holds for people who get a relic once the content is obsolete. They can overgear or even unsync all of the relevant content. It just tells me they're persistent.

There really isn't much reason for SAM and RDM to do what the quest requires. The requirements for the previous two relics, when you boil it down is just doing what most people do throughout their gaming days. They eat up poetics and GC seals like there is no tomorrow, so you run countless dungeons, roulettes, and beast tribes for both quest and poe/seal grind purposes. They can also eat up gil if you don't have your own crafters leveled, or help from one. I did say the journey itself is rewarding, but not the only reward. You still want to yield the fruit of all your labor as well.

And I would have to disagree. Synced or unsynced, geared or over geared; it is still a lot of content you have to go through to complete these things. I never said that this person will play at a savage level, but you can keep your expectations of players in possession of a relic a little higher. You can take them more seriously because they take there job very seriously. You would have to be in order to be "persistent". This persistence you speak of applies to more than just acquisition of the relic; it's also applies to just overall experience in that particular class and role.

[Talraen]

There really isn't much reason for SAM and RDM to do what the quest requires. The requirements for the previous two relics, when you boil it down is just doing what most people do throughout their gaming days. They eat up poetics and GC seals like there is no tomorrow, so you run countless dungeons, roulettes, and beast tribes for both quest and poe/seal grind purposes. They can also eat up gil if you don't have your own crafters leveled, or help from one. I did say the journey itself is rewarding, but not the only reward. You still want to yield the fruit of all your labor as well.

You want the fruit of your labor, but my point is, if they introduce a weapon people will be forced to go through that labor to get it. Your own description doesn't make it sound compelling, so why wall an item behind it? You're thinking about this only from your own perspective, and ignoring the perspective of others who may not feel the same way about the relic quest.

I don't know about you, but when i think about a Anima Lux-style Rapier my mouth starts to water.
Just... a super simplistic looking tuck that, when drawn, sprouts an elaborate, glowing handguard while the crystal-focus gets WHM-Lux like wings?
Sign me the hell up. xD

That sounds cool, but why put it behind an obsolete* relic grind? Why not just make a craftable weapon or something? Creating new glamour behind an old grind is bad design.

*When I say "obsolete" what I mean is that the reward is obsolete, and the original reason for the content (i.e., to get a relevant relic weapon) no longer exists. Coil and Alexander are also obsolete in the same sense, as is the Rowena quest to kill Extreme primals for weapons, etc. All of that content is of course still totally viable, and I heartily encourage people who haven't previously played through Alexander to do so now that Normal Raid Roulette makes it convenient to do so. But you're not going to get a meaningful reward. The rewards from obsolete content are still viable as glamour, but Square Enix knows what a pain they are to get at this point, which is why they make craftable versions of so many of them.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

That sounds cool, but why put it behind an obsolete* relic grind? Why not just make a craftable weapon or something? Creating new glamour behind an old grind is bad design.

*When I say "obsolete" what I mean is that the reward is obsolete, and the original reason for the content (i.e., to get a relevant relic weapon) no longer exists. Coil and Alexander are also obsolete in the same sense, as is the Rowena quest to kill Extreme primals for weapons, etc. All of that content is of course still totally viable, and I heartily encourage people who haven't previously played through Alexander to do so now that Normal Raid Roulette makes it convenient to do so. But you're not going to get a meaningful reward. The rewards from obsolete content are still viable as glamour, but Square Enix knows what a pain they are to get at this point, which is why they make craftable versions of so many of them.

Consistency, really. Sure, you could make it a crafted weapon, but why do RDM and SAM get a crafted variant of something thats clearly meant to emulate the Lux-aesthetic when everyone else has to trudge through the questline? Or, if everyone else gets a reskin, what stops SE from simply reusing the Model and throwing it in the questline? It's not like the relic questlines aren't reusing the same models multiple times anyway.
Its not like the haven't done this before with the UCoB weapon where they've design completely new models for both SAM and RDM but instead of just giving the glowy variant (like they could have) they went through the trouble of retexturing and throwing those retextures into FCoB.

I'll admit that each Relic uses multiple models, but other than that they are retextured. Hell, the Anima-Weapons use each of their 3 models twice, and not even retextured, simply a non-dyable and a dyable variant.
Its especially frustrating in situations as it is occuring now, where in 4.2 everyone got crafted variants of their Zodiac weapons, except the newer Jobs who got relatively random models, SAM and RDM in particular who got retextured models of weapons that aren't even a year old nor are particularly hard to get.
And the same thing is gonna happen with the UwU weapons, where everyone gets their original relic, except again the newer jobs, who either get their HW-Tomeweapons, or to my pleasent surprise, new models.
If they had simply decided to make new models for the newer Jobs instead of reusing old one they'd be half done with the new old relics already, since they'd reuse the models a dozen times anyway with different glows attached to it.

As said, I understand that the devs have to prioritize, I'm just saying that with a little bit of smart planning it's theoretically possible. Or would have been.

As for the obsolete Questline, yes, they can be a pain to go through, but I personally would feel more accomplished going through the journey to get a relic (even if its just a nice glamour) rather then just buying a reused asset of the market board. Its kinda like the difference between an actually antique Ming-Vase versus a cheap knockoff just for show. Not to mention it doesn't exactly make the content less obsolete.
It just cheapens the meaning of the Relics, imo.