And the last bastion of non-Mog Station items gets put on Mog Station

[Sekkei]

You have completely missed the point of my post. My game experience is definitely not affected nor am I pointing it out. I have no left or right sway on having the song or not. I'm indifferent to the items in question because it's not something that interests me such as something like the Shantotto minion. What I'm saying is I don't understand the logic of buying a song with a limited listening area and continuously paid subscription to access it for double the price of the same song you can access anywhere, anytime.

[ThunderGodThor]

They *could* have put the songs in-game as a reward for a difficult task- like minimum iLvl trials or something similar. Heck, make them untradeable so only those willing to fight through will get them. The orchestrion could have been made from a rare drop on Thornmarch Extreme. Could have.

But why do that when people are willing to pay for them instead? And here I thought buying the game, the expansions and paying a sub was enough to access all the games content. Ah well. I'm sure people will defend this greed, just like they defend everything EA- sorry SE do. /shrugs

[Hamada]

It's extra because it's from the arranged Eorzea Symphony album and it's Square Enix so stuff like this is gonna be at a premium. Just wait for a sale. This is all fluff. No one says you have to buy it. This is what i always don't get. Don't like it? Don't get it. Your game experience isn't going to suffer.

How can you miss the point what he is talking about why he specifically says "those orchestrion rolls are double the price of a single song that can be downloaded digitally is what I find wrong with this" ?

People dislike SE is being too cash grabby (overcharging because people fall for it/ taking advantage of people) such as:

This. SE is going to balance the profits from microtransactions against the possible negative economic consequences of offering them (i.e. people quitting on principle). Unfortunately, there's a significant imbalance here pointing in favour of offering microtransactions, from a profit standpoint.
If people want to help shift things in the other direction, they need to alter their purchasing decisions of SE products accordingly, and voice the reasons why. It might not add up to much on its own, but enough people doing it, we might see progress. I know personally, I do enjoy FFXIV still; it's a nice social game to play with my girlfriend. But, SE's push toward microtransactions influences my purchasing decisions in regards to other titles. I don't buy any of their shitty DLC for other titles they publish, and I'll very frequently wait for a sale on their games, because I feel like they're trying to milk enough from FFXIV already so as to not need ultra-healthy margins on other titles. If they were to stop getting so greedy, stop nickel-and-diming us to death in FFXIV, I'd begin purchasing more of their other titles full price.


There is another approach, too, that people can try: peer pressure. I not only avoid the Mog Station myself, but I say absolutely nothing positive about outfits or mounts that I know come from it. When the Carbuncle mounts released and some friends were talking about how cool they were, my reaction was 'eh, I'll never support the microtransaction bullshit, so I don't really care.' Again, in and of itself, this won't make a difference - but one of the main motivating factors for purchasing items on the Mog Station
is bragging rights for that new mount or outfit. If nobody reacts positively, the bragging doesn't get you as far, and the desire to purchase items drops.

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The only other thing I can recommend to people sick of the Mog Station (and similar cash shops in other MMOs) is to keep realistic goals. For me, that means (a) being able to play the games I want to play, while (b) feeling as if I'm doing my part to discourage these shitty creations. I try not to set a rigid goal of 'no cash shop or bust', because that would just lock me out of MMOs. It's not a perfect solution, but it's working for me, at least.

I know someone that is the same way, disliked when I gift her carby boots, told me never buy her anything from the shop again

[Lauront]

Disnae bother me.

[Felis]

They *could* have put the songs in-game as a reward for a difficult task- like minimum iLvl trials or something similar. Heck, make them untradeable so only those willing to fight through will get them. The orchestrion could have been made from a rare drop on Thornmarch Extreme. Could have.

But why do that when people are willing to pay for them instead? And here I thought buying the game, the expansions and paying a sub was enough to access all the games content. Ah well. I'm sure people will defend this greed, just like they defend everything EA- sorry SE do. /shrugs

Those music scrolls you can get already ingame, just not the orchestral versions which are part of a special soundtrack CD and where never ingame music in that arranged form.
There is no dungeon, trial, raid or cutscene that play the orchestral versions.

[ThunderGodThor]

Those music scrolls you can get already ingame, just not the orchestral versions which are part of a special soundtrack CD and where never ingame music in that arranged form.
There is no dungeon, trial, raid or cutscene that play the orchestral versions.

And that means they had to be put on the mogstation and not included in the game we all pay for.. why?

[Felis]

And that means they had to be put on the mogstation and not included in the game we all pay for.. why?

because it is music created for sell (see the CD)

[ThunderGodThor]

because it is music created for sell (see the CD)

And here I thought buying the game, the expansions and paying a sub was enough to access all the games content. Ah well. I'm sure people will defend this greed, just like they defend everything EA- sorry SE do. /shrugs

/10 chars ><

Edit; also the price is double the mp3 price, come on man, its utter nonsense.

[Felis]

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And I still say that they are not originaly ingame content in that arranged format.
You want the music, but not from the mog shop? Buy the Cd like everyone else before today.
You want the music as scroll, but not from the mog shop? get the original scrolls in the market board like everyone else before today

[Talraen]

And here I thought buying the game, the expansions and paying a sub was enough to access all the games content.

What, exactly, are they allowed to charge for, in your view? If they changed the game to a free-to-play model, would you be OK with charging for this kind of thing? Or is there some other criteria which decides what they can and can't charge for?