And the last bastion of non-Mog Station items gets put on Mog Station

[Sigma-Astra]

There's actually 3 songs, for $15 in total.

The one being talked about someone simply used for their picture showing the mog station being just over double the cost as the mp3. We're "letting ourselves become offended" because Square's trying to sell us the same thing, only much more heavily restricted, at over double the cost.

Imagine, if you will, a stuffed animal based on... let's just say Byakko because I don't think we have that in game. Let's say that it's $5 to get one ordered (I dunno how much the normal ones are, but let's just say this price.) Now the mog station comes around, and chooses to sell you one. For $12. On a single character.

Now you have 2 options. A stuffed Byakko you are free to bring anywhere you want, or pay over double to having one in game for 1 character.

I just took a look now that you mention it. All three songs already exist in-game as normal songs, all three songs are from the Eorzean Symphony OST collection exclusively in a completely orchestrated format. Considering that one had to pay $50 for the bonus scrolls that came from CD's like Duality, I'd say $5 is by far the cheapest bargain you're going to get for something like an exclusive song scroll to play within your virtual house.

However, the MP3's still reign as the better deal and probably don't have to go through the compression issues that they'd need to go through before being put inside of the game, therefore you're paying $2.39 for a better audio quality and increased flexibility than you're paying $5 for something second best. They're not really selling you the same thing, so to speak. They're selling you a compressed audio clipping over the lossless, better version. The MP3 has been out since December 20, 2017 and the Mogstation scroll was made on May 2018. I'm not sure why people would think they'd sell the song scroll for the price of the MP3 honestly, when at the lowest, scrolls have only gone down to $3.00, but they're mostly for past seasonal events. And, I have a feeling that even if they were sold at $3 a piece, people would still complain it's too much money. Now, one could argue that they should be completely free and put inside the game as achievements, but why? They're live orchestrated versions of songs from the game. Why should they be free to listen to for the select few of people not willing to spend money inside of the game when people have had to pay $2.39 for the MP3, pay anywhere from $50 for the CD's, and/or pay anywhere from $50 to $100 for tickets just to go SEE and HEAR the live performances? Shouldn't those people that had to pay be suddenly reimbursed for their money now because SE just put those songs into XIV for free?

Which again, you have several options: don't buy the Mogstation scroll or buy it. Buy the MP3 or don't buy it. In order for one to be affected by the situation, they have to let themselves become offended and affected by it, if you're venting that a song for $5 is too much then yes, clearly you're offended by the idea and situation, you're allowing yourself to become appalled by the very idea of it's existence. It's an easy choice for me to make without venting over the idea it's $5: I'm not going to buy it because it's not worth my $5. It's not worth getting pent up over a $5 song or a total of $15 for three songs in-game when I could probably spend $7 on the MP3's, mute the game, and listen to the songs as much as I want.

Honestly, I think this is just a marketing tool to get people informed and pique their interest about the CD's.

[Rofel]

Hi Sigma, thanks for answering. I see your point and its perfectly understandable if you think it's not worth your time.

I also understand you don't think they are going to change stuff based on a "few" comments (wich I'm gonna disagree on the few part; it's more constant than ever, with reason) but I still think it's worth taking a shot voicing our opinion about how some changes would improve the experience. I know its a drop on the ocean because they ARE making good money on the cash shop when the price of a single mount covers a month of sub, but I'm still glad people are taking their time to reason. Be it about the cash shop, character-bound overpriced itens, and even stuff like Greed Only.

Again, no need to support us on this one. But no need to be dismissive either, to each their own!

[Sigma-Astra]

Hi Sigma, thanks for answering. I see your point and its perfectly understandable if you think it's not worth your time.

I also understand you don't think they are going to change stuff based on a "few" comments (wich I'm gonna disagree on the few part; it's more constant than ever, with reason) but I still think it's worth taking a shot voicing our opinion about how some changes would improve the experience. I know its a drop on the ocean because they ARE making good money on the cash shop when the price of a single mount covers a month of sub, but I'm still glad people are taking their time to reason. Be it about the cash shop, character-bound overpriced itens, and even stuff like Greed Only.


Again, no need to support us on this one. But no need to be dismissive either, to each their own!

You're welcome and I don't mean to come across so dismissive, really don't, and I'd support you guys if these were songs that were already present within the game already. Like if they made the new Primal music part of the Mogstation instead of being dropped by her. But, since it's specialized and orchestrated pieces from the OST's that other people have had to pay for since December 2017 and now, all of a sudden, people want it for free? It just seems kind of "out there" to ask for, no offense.

I just think asking for them to put in for free is a little much and if people started asking for the bonus scrolls from Duality to be put into the game for free after all of this time, after I spent $50 on the CD, you couldn't blame me for being a bit offended over the issue.

[Hamada]

They just put out a brand new patch last Tuesday and they happened to add a few things again to the Mogstation recently and I realize not a lot of people like the idea of it, but, do you really think anything said is going to change how things are now? I don't know about you, but doing the new content, getting a Tsuku weapon, trying to get her songs, and the mount are meaningful rewards right now even if the revamped achievement system is lackluster. Rewards may not exist there, but they exist in other places. Is it a perfect setup? No, not really, but to say that the game doesn't or at least has been begging for meaningful rewards seems a little silly to me, in my opinion. Everything you've listed on the latter, I already invest my time in. I raid, dabble in some Savage content, farm for mounts, music, and gear. Again, one song scroll is not going to kill me especially when the MP3 is the better deal anyways.

This has nothing to do what this thread is about, and nothing about the idea of SE trying to take advantage of people though "optional" items. People are fed up in general with gaming industry doing as it pleases because it is a business with the least government regulation. Now people see the drama with EA (and blizzard) among others with lootboxes. A government of a COUNTRY is threatening to take criminal suit if EA and others don't change their ways, this is how far things have gone. When you have this news in the back of people's mind, then look at the mog shop, some may think of the current situation and question, "wait is this fair?"
So when players see a 5 dollar song, when it is 2... dollars and whatever cents as a mp3, it really turns people's heads in wondering if the mog shop prices are acceptable. Why can our monthly fee total 29 dollars right now? why are they charging 18 dollars for an outfit for ONE character? why are we paying 5 dollars for a song for ONE character? Why are we paying 12 dollars for an emote for ONE character? We are not buying it, that is not the point off the thread, the point of the thread is to show our disgust on how far SE is trying to reach for greed. "Not buying it" is clearly not working when you see SE keep pushing these overpriced digital things that cost them NOTHING to distribute. The ironic thing I see with this situation is SE would likely make more money by charging less by getting more sales. If you want SE to make more money then you should be pushing to have these things listed for cheaper so they get more sale

I just took a look now that you mention it. All three songs already exist in-game as normal songs, all three songs are from the Eorzean Symphony OST collection exclusively in a completely orchestrated format. Considering that one had to pay $50 for the bonus scrolls that came from CD's like Duality, I'd say $5 is by far the cheapest bargain you're going to get for something like an exclusive song scroll to play within your virtual house.

You heard it right here, trying to rip people off is a "bargain"

pay anywhere from $50 for the CD's, and/or pay anywhere from $50 to $100 for tickets just to go SEE and HEAR the live performances? Shouldn't those people that had to pay be suddenly reimbursed for their money now because SE just put those songs into XIV for free?

What is the reason for this stawman? I am speechless that I am expected to explain the difference of seeing a live show, a CD, and buying a digital item for one digital character in a game.

[Sigma-Astra]

....You're complaining and accusing me that I'm strawmanning when you're bringing up stuff about EA and blizzard that had no bearing on this converstion in the first place.

Not to mention, cherrypicking statements to fit your hyperbole narrative and completely missing my points.

[Rofel]

Just a lil thing I'd like to add:

No one wants stuff "for free" since we pay for content on a monthly basis. Also, the game was starving for said content on the last... two months, maybe? since Eureka was the big addition and the NM Train cut the grind very quick.

So yeah, I don't think it's that weird to ask for the oportunity of farming rewards in game to be more acessible as incentive to do stuff...

About the point of buying the CD and seeing the music available elsewere... Maybe we should ask them to not mix stuff so they wouldnt feel offended for their previous purchase? I dunno, dont want to derail the topic, sorry.

[Rubiss]

Whales are going to whale. SE knows this. I don't buy anything from Mogstation because if you compare it to the price of your sub, you'd have to be incredibly foolish to buy anything to begin with. This game constantly makes excuses for bad UI implementation and general mechanics, hiding behind the mess of 1.X, but they're than happy to rip you off in the mogstation. Glamour dressers being complete garbage and restrictive? 1.X to blame. Actually putting money back into this game to fix or implement things properly on the first go? Nope.

[Felis]

Tomestones gearsets at 10,00€/$ in odd-numbered patches soon!
Please look forward to it.

hmm
So you say people would buy ilevel 1 tomestone gearsets without stats instead of farming tomes for tome gearsets with ilevel higher than 90 and stats?

[Arrius]

Tomestones gearsets at 10,00€/$ in odd-numbered patches soon!
Please look forward to it.

We kind of get those already - The 'Tale of Adventure' (level 60 boost) service already gives you Shire gear and 300.000 Gil in cash.

[Alleo]

What, exactly, are they allowed to charge for, in your view? If they changed the game to a free-to-play model, would you be OK with charging for this kind of thing? Or is there some other criteria which decides what they can and can't charge for?

The same amount they charge for it outside the game for a digital download version? Which is kinda half the price then what we got for the mog station which is bad since you can hear them even less then outside.