DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

[Lunaxia]

Then you've missed everything up to that point, rendering your assessmemt essentially useless because it isn't complete.

No, I haven't. I can still see if someone's used enmity tools, and I take that into consideration.

[MoroMurasaki]

No, I haven't. I can still see if someone's used enmity tools, and I take that into consideration.

How? How do you track this? Short of seeing Diversion in an opener you simply can't be sitting there watching 7 people's buff bars for Diversion or Lucid, not to mention the more obscure enmity tools. You can't.

Stop lying.

[Lunaxia]

How? How do you track this? Short of seeing Diversion in an opener you simply can't be sitting there watching 7 people's buff bars for Diversion or Lucid, not to mention the more obscure enmity tools. You can't.

Stop lying.

I'm not lying, and I don't know why that's so hard to grasp. I usually have one eye on the party list as a result of my job, and I can see pretty easily who is throwing up regular enmity dumps and who isn't and how it's affecting their overall standing. They rarely even come up outside of the opener.

[Remus]

How? How do you track this? Short of seeing Diversion in an opener you simply can't be sitting there watching 7 people's buff bars for Diversion or Lucid, not to mention the more obscure enmity tools. You can't.

Stop lying.

If you know how much a job can generate when it comes to enmity you can tell when they use an enmity dump or enmity reduction. If Monk, Samurai and Black Mage don't use enmity dumps/reduction they will be on the tanks ass majority of the fight or even steal aggro because of it, unless the tank starts spamming aggro combos. You will notice this especially if you raid because tanks are trying to manage enmity and doing DPS. A tank who only does aggro combos and hardly does DPS combos is a tank I wouldn't bring.

[MoroMurasaki]

I'm not lying, and I don't know why that's so hard to grasp. I usually have one eye on the party list as a result of my job, and I can see pretty easily who is throwing up regular enmity dumps and who isn't and how it's affecting their overall standing. They rarely even come up outside of the opener.

I main WHM as well, I can't track all that. Neither can you. You've dug yourself a hole and now you can't find a way out. I get it. Continuing to protest that you're doing an impossible thing is kind of asinine though.

I don't want to waste my daily post limit on this anymore. It's clear you've dug in your heels. I was silly to expect an honest, reasonable reply.

If you know how much a job can generate when it comes to enmity you can tell when they use an enmity dump or enmity reduction. If Monk, Samurai and Black Mage don't use enmity dumps/reduction they will be on the tanks ass majority of the fight or even steal aggro because of it, unless the tank starts spamming aggro combos. You will notice this especially if you raid because tanks are trying to manage enmity and doing DPS. A tank who only does aggro combos and hardly does DPS combos is a tank I wouldn't bring.

If you think a healer can keep track of their tank's enmity combos you're just as misguided.

[Remus]

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I don't know... I have healed content and most my attention is on the tank and I can see a Paladin using Rage of Halone purely from the animation and sound effect. Same way you can tell when there is a Samurai in the group because you can easily hear Midare Setsugekka. Based on what you have said to other people I don't even know why I bothered replying. If you have a parser it's even easier because you can tell from how much damage they would be doing. If they have low dps they haven't been using the dps combo enough or sitting in tank stance too much.

Believe what you want to believe don't really care anyway I just wanted to point out what you said is wrong if you don't want to believe what I said then whatever.

[Sebazy]

https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/14#boss=4511

I've got to admit, I never realised this was a thing either. Any guesses as to why I don't show up on those rankings? I'm pretty sure I could curb stomp most of them =(

[Lunaxia]

I main WHM as well, I can't track all that.

Well, you do you, I guess.

[Maero]

Have yet to pull 5K or higher on my Nin in Savage but i can openly admit i am not great as Ninja. Always been a caster for 4+ years.
I have been getting better then when i first began however.
Anyhow there could be a variety of reasons why some players have lower dps without anyone actually knowing the reason.

[HyoMinPark]

All I've ever said is that you don't really need a parser to see that a DPS is performing badly, and that terrible DPS is reflected in the enmity list. I never said, anywhere, that it's on par with or as reliable as a parser, or that it should be used in place of one.

You are absolutely wrong. I can burst for anywhere from 8,000+ to 12,000+ on BRD, depending on how lucky I get in my opener with procs. I can Tactician immediately afterwards to drop my enmity to either 4th (when other DPS are using their enmity tools/tanks are Provoke+Shirking) or 8th (no one is using enmity tools so, when I drop 50% of my enmity, I drop to 8th)...and STILL be top DPS for a considerable minute, sometimes longer.

BRDs also creep up to 2nd fairly often because they burst every 80 seconds, and only have enmity dumps over quellers...yet will be fourth in terms of overall damage. How can you possibly tell all of this without a parser? You absolutely cannot.

What are you going to say to WHMs in Neo or God Kefka? They are generally second on enmity because of the sheer power of their heals, yet dead last on DPS? By the way, Lucid doesn't help enough to lower them by much the next time Almagest or Heartless Archangel comes around.