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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    Then you've missed everything up to that point, rendering your assessmemt essentially useless because it isn't complete.
    No, I haven't. I can still see if someone's used enmity tools, and I take that into consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaxia View Post
    No, I haven't. I can still see if someone's used enmity tools, and I take that into consideration.
    How? How do you track this? Short of seeing Diversion in an opener you simply can't be sitting there watching 7 people's buff bars for Diversion or Lucid, not to mention the more obscure enmity tools. You can't.

    Stop lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    How? How do you track this? Short of seeing Diversion in an opener you simply can't be sitting there watching 7 people's buff bars for Diversion or Lucid, not to mention the more obscure enmity tools. You can't.

    Stop lying.
    I'm not lying, and I don't know why that's so hard to grasp. I usually have one eye on the party list as a result of my job, and I can see pretty easily who is throwing up regular enmity dumps and who isn't and how it's affecting their overall standing. They rarely even come up outside of the opener.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaxia View Post
    I'm not lying, and I don't know why that's so hard to grasp. I usually have one eye on the party list as a result of my job, and I can see pretty easily who is throwing up regular enmity dumps and who isn't and how it's affecting their overall standing. They rarely even come up outside of the opener.
    I main WHM as well, I can't track all that. Neither can you. You've dug yourself a hole and now you can't find a way out. I get it. Continuing to protest that you're doing an impossible thing is kind of asinine though.

    I don't want to waste my daily post limit on this anymore. It's clear you've dug in your heels. I was silly to expect an honest, reasonable reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Remus View Post
    If you know how much a job can generate when it comes to enmity you can tell when they use an enmity dump or enmity reduction. If Monk, Samurai and Black Mage don't use enmity dumps/reduction they will be on the tanks ass majority of the fight or even steal aggro because of it, unless the tank starts spamming aggro combos. You will notice this especially if you raid because tanks are trying to manage enmity and doing DPS. A tank who only does aggro combos and hardly does DPS combos is a tank I wouldn't bring.
    If you think a healer can keep track of their tank's enmity combos you're just as misguided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
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    I don't know... I have healed content and most my attention is on the tank and I can see a Paladin using Rage of Halone purely from the animation and sound effect. Same way you can tell when there is a Samurai in the group because you can easily hear Midare Setsugekka. Based on what you have said to other people I don't even know why I bothered replying. If you have a parser it's even easier because you can tell from how much damage they would be doing. If they have low dps they haven't been using the dps combo enough or sitting in tank stance too much.

    Believe what you want to believe don't really care anyway I just wanted to point out what you said is wrong if you don't want to believe what I said then whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    I main WHM as well, I can't track all that.
    Well, you do you, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    How? How do you track this? Short of seeing Diversion in an opener you simply can't be sitting there watching 7 people's buff bars for Diversion or Lucid, not to mention the more obscure enmity tools. You can't.

    Stop lying.
    If you know how much a job can generate when it comes to enmity you can tell when they use an enmity dump or enmity reduction. If Monk, Samurai and Black Mage don't use enmity dumps/reduction they will be on the tanks ass majority of the fight or even steal aggro because of it, unless the tank starts spamming aggro combos. You will notice this especially if you raid because tanks are trying to manage enmity and doing DPS. A tank who only does aggro combos and hardly does DPS combos is a tank I wouldn't bring.
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