All Greed on Alliance loot

[Souljacker]

I don't understand what 'problem' they were trying to solve here. A FC mate explained that the JP like to run as their best geared class because that is 'more polite' and want to be able to get loot for other classes, but doesn't it follow that they could just use the 'polite' option and announce they are interested in lotting on gear and would the other players pass? Or better yet, create a party finder then they can have the loot rules beforehand. The greed button was already there for all players that agreed to use it.

I just don't see what the actual problem was with being able to lot on gear for the class you are running on. Again SE makes a forced change that creates a really hostile environment for no good reason.

[Penthea]

I don't understand what 'problem' they were trying to solve here. A FC mate explained that the JP like to run as their best geared class because that is 'more polite' and want to be able to get loot for other classes.

Flawed logic if this is SE's reasoning. It's hardly polite to roll on gear when you haven't the courtesy to even play as a class that can equip it.

Certainly not polite in the case of the summoner in my alliance who kept dying because they constantly stood far beyond the limits of aoe healing but rolled on healing gear despite clearly demonstrating they're clueless about the role. Polite my a**.

[MrSmiley]

Flawed logic if this is SE's reasoning. It's hardly polite to roll on gear when you haven't the courtesy to even play as a class that can equip it.

Certainly not polite in the case of the summoner in my alliance who kept dying because they constantly stood far beyond the limits of aoe healing but rolled on healing gear despite clearly demonstrating they're clueless about the role. Polite my a**.

Already seeing people getting outrolled on items, in lockout week, by people who don't even have its class unlocked. This has actually turned out stupider than I thought.

[Sazaki]

I hate it. Finally had a piece of gear drop for my monk that i've been waiting for months to win and lose to someone who is going to turn it in for seals. Great change SE...

[Enla]

Because separate changes require maintaining separate codebases. This has never, ever, worked out to be beneficial in any way. See NA versions of JP and KR games. It's always NA that gets the nerf bat.

That's why Korea and China versions are different. Korea and Chinese versions have government ID requirements and data storage requirements that can't be met if the game is isn't in their country. That is all. The problem with doing this is that it balkanizes the playerbase. Now in some cases this is a good thing. Players from Brazil and Russia tend to play on NA servers, and as a result have to know English to really play it. Players in China or Korea get their own localized version, but are behind in patches or even have nerfed content due to government rules.

The minute JP balkanizes from the NA/EU base, is the minute NA ends up being a P2W wasteland.

You are right. I spoke ignorantly from a place of frustration. I just wish that we could find some happy medium to satisfy both sides instead of constantly being set aside, as this isn't the first time the developers have specified Japanese player preferences as the reason why certain mechanics were changed without considering the NA or EU side of the coin.

[Reinha]

No matter the loot method, they really should let people buy this gear with the weekly coin and give us a choice between upgrading tome gear and bypassing RNG in alliance raids. That way those who don't have tome gear to upgrade on their main can catch up to 260 easier and others have an option to boost their alts more or buy glamours.

[Remedi]

So, consideringh augmented crafted gear exist and that you don't really need to HQ the craft either or craft it yourself, plus the non weekly locked thing......why 24 man raids gear exist at all? and why the loot changes?

[Alleo]

@Alleo
How do you know the healer wanted the healer gear? I did it as a healer and rolled on the tank pieces only.

If they roll on stuff they probably want it.

I don't understand what 'problem' they were trying to solve here. A FC mate explained that the JP like to run as their best geared class because that is 'more polite' and want to be able to get loot for other classes, but doesn't it follow that they could just use the 'polite' option and announce they are interested in lotting on gear and would the other players pass? Or better yet, create a party finder then they can have the loot rules beforehand. The greed button was already there for all players that agreed to use it.

I just don't see what the actual problem was with being able to lot on gear for the class you are running on. Again SE makes a forced change that creates a really hostile environment for no good reason.

I also never understood that reasoning. So if someone does not even feel good to play other jobs in the 24 man raid..then how big is the chance that they suddenly play other jobs in raid or extreme trials? Because thats also not polite right? So why do they even need that gear? Do they feel the need to gear up every single job they play even if they dont use it? And if that is the case, why not gear them up with dungeon drops or older stones? Or like you say make up a party finder or just ask for pieces? (Or just simply hope that they won the greed roll)


So dear SE, the OP has over 250 likes, which is probably one of the most highest recent liked post in this forum and people are already losing stuff to others in the first week...please change it back! (And no dont wait till the next patch for this x_x)

[Souljacker]

Flawed logic if this is SE's reasoning. It's hardly polite to roll on gear when you haven't the courtesy to even play as a class that can equip it.

The 'logic' behind it was to make sure that the run is as smooth as possible, they will do it as their most geared class. So then they can't roll need on an off-class's equipment, but I don't even understand this in these group dungeons. By the time you have geared that main class, aren't you already using the tomes that rain from the sky to work on the off class?

To me the whole thing is stupid and just another toxic solution to a something that wasn't a problem in the first place. Same as letting people 'choose' whether they want a fresh run in a 'random' dungeon or will 'allow' themselves to be queued into a partially completed one. It increases queue times, it causes content to not get completed, and in the end I'm starting to think that SE just doesn't actually want us playing this game anymore. So now I will only do the 24 man once for completion, I won't do the story alliance roulettes anymore because of the cutscene change in those, I barely touch dungeons anymore because the queue times are out of this world...so, mission accomplished?

I guess they just want us all to be crafters and play an economy mmo.

[Rhaja]

Rolled in last night, actually needed the tank chest piece that dropped, and was playing tank. While I got it thanks to people letting me greed roll it I had a sudden realization in the frustration this is going to bring. I rolled in as a Tank, took the responsibility of MT through the entire lock out, and still had to beg for my own gear drop.

Not a fan at all. I give it the second week before the curtesy wears off and any other tank pieces I'll need are going to become more frustrating to get.