Can we do something about Secret of the Lily II now?

[Sylvain]

The WHM trait in question (SotL2) doesn't give lilies. It reduces the CD of Assize or Asylum by 5 seconds, 20% of the time Cure II crits. That's somewhere around a 5% chance when you cast Cure II to get 5 seconds off one of two abilities. Comparatively, Hyper Lightspeed gives double the CDR with a 100% chance to activate. That means it is doing more, more often, and more reliably. Even if the last part is a wash (if neither care about the CDR), one of these is objectively better than the other.

God I really need to read these traits tooltip again.

Fine, SotL2 is utter trash beyond redemption.XD

I still maintain that HyperLightspeed is a bad trait.
But at this point only SCH has a good trait (a boring one, granted, but 15sec on Eatherflows is not bad)

The lilies mechanic received so little love from the community that I would expect some decent rework for 5.0
But for AST, I think 4.3 Hyperlightspeed is the only rework we'll ever get on that trait.

[Tridus]

God I really need to read these traits tooltip again.

Fine, SotL2 is utter trash beyond redemption.XD

I still maintain that HyperLightspeed is a bad trait.
But at this point only SCH has a good trait (a boring one, granted, but 15sec on Eatherflows is not bad)

Yep, that's fair. It's not a zero sum game. One trait needing work doesn't mean another one doesn't also need work.

Quickened Aetherflow is great. It's not very exciting, but it's reliable and makes a difference. If you removed it, there would be a real impact on how SCH plays.

If you removed SotL2, how long would it be before anyone even noticed it was gone?

The lilies mechanic received so little love from the community that I would expect some decent rework for 5.0
But for AST, I think 4.3 Hyperlightspeed is the only rework we'll ever get on that trait.

It's hard to say what they plan to do in 5.0, but yeah. There will be displeasure if they leave lilies alone. They're only getting away with it now because WHM is fine without it (which really proves that it was tacked on to have a job gauge). It's too bad because it's a cool looking gauge, but mechanically it's irrelevant.

Personally I'd flip the whole thing around and make lilies something you gain from using oGCDs and have them boost the potency of your GCD heals instead. People would care about a boosted Regen. Or, have them usable for DPS, like 3 lilies gives you an oGCD high potency nuke to help pDPS on a job that needs that since it has zero rDPS.

[Naryoril]

One change that should be easy to implement is to gain lilies on any GCD heal spell. Maybe make SotL II to do exactly that. It would make lilies and the useless trait more meaningful.