Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
Then Refresh can put a damage penalty back onto Bard/Machinist. After all you shouldn't be depending on it.
While I'd personally prefer to see a return to actual songs/turret effects, that would seem awkwardly arbitrary to me at this point.

Moreover, we'd need to see Hypercharge moved from a CD to something with activation (in place of the GCD Bards lose) and then drain cost (similar to Foes) for Machinist not to be further penalized by such a penalty than Bard is, as Bard itself (and its rDPS bonuses) benefits from Refresh while Machinist does not.