Cash shop pricing is getting a bit much...

[Krotoan]

You're assuming I wouldn't enjoy what I'm doing to earn the items. I see no reason for glamours to not be tradeable. If I could trade for them, then I could do the content I enjoy most in the game, which is crafting and gathering, to my heart's content to earn the items. As the game currently stands, though, there is so little to spend gil on that I haven't put any effort into making gil for the past 3 years. The lack of things to buy in-game is hurting my enjoyment of the game very much.

I'm stating there are a lot of people who asked for "ANY ALTERNATIVE" to paying real money. This includes the fate grinds people hate so much or possibly rep grinds or achievement hunting.
That sounds like a different problem then what the cash shop creates though. Yes I am assuming the cash shop items wouldn't exist without the cash shop but we've already visited that counterpoint. Gil being valuable however is an entirely different discussion than "are things too expensive in the shop". I've heard it lamented that "Gil is worthless".. but then seen the same people raise up arms because the new MB manipulations outside the game in the app will be "pay 2 win" because you can buy armor that affects ingame performance... which would mean gil has worth? I'd rather not spiral down that hill in here.

Either way, you're complaining about a lack of content in the main game. I don't personally feel we've been denied items in the main game just so they can be put in the cash shop and we've been given no information to imply the team was "stolen" for the cash shop and therefore crippling item development. It may be naive to think they're telling us the truth about such a controversial subject but I've seen no evidence that hasn't been put together by the conspiracy factions that points to anything other than interest in profits and finding the "easy money". You have a most valid complaint: I need more stuff to spend my ingame currency on! But I don't think it has anything to do with the cash shop.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The other region items are pricey because that is what they cost converted from their regions shops.

NPC outfits have always been more than event outfits, and the prices have really been the same since the shop released. In fact, they removed exclusive items from the mogstation, as some of the metallic dyes were mogstation only at the start, and now they are all in ventrues.

The only thing I would argue is expensive is the emotes.

[MomomiMomi]

I'm stating there are a lot of people who asked for "ANY ALTERNATIVE" to paying real money. This includes the fate grinds people hate so much or possibly rep grinds or achievement hunting.

That's why trade is so great. Don't like those things? Trade for the item instead.

My complaint may not have been created by the cash shop, but it could be solved by it. Many other games, including WoW, which this game clearly copied a lot from, allow you to trade things bought with real money to be traded in-game for in-game currency. This would make gil valuable again.

Of course, you have to pass the RMT aspect of it by the consumers, but considering everything they've gotten away with so far, I'm confident they could do it.

As for gil is worthless/gil has worth, they aren't actually mutually exclusive as it would appear at first glance. Gil has worth up to a certain point. Beyond that point, its worth plummets. Most people who are into the trade game are well beyond the point of worth, but the average player is not.

[XiXiQ]

I don't personally feel we've been denied items in the main game just so they can be put in the cash shop

I didn't think of it much, until the last Hildebrand quest came along, with zero rewards and cash shop items instead. That was just plain insulting.

Keep in mind though, every "exclusive" in the cash shop is an item we are being denied in-game.

[Verius_Nox]

It's optional though. If you really want it, you'll pay for it.

Yeah, and they don't make us pay more than the subscription for the optional armor from dungeons and raids and crafting. We should just be thankful they're not trying to nickel and dime us even harder. /s

What a shitty way to defend the company.

[Krotoan]

That's why trade is so great. Don't like those things? Trade for the item instead.

My complaint may not have been created by the cash shop, but it could be solved by it. Many other games, including WoW, which this game clearly copied a lot from, allow you to trade things bought with real money to be traded in-game for in-game currency. This would make gil valuable again.

Of course, you have to pass the RMT aspect of it by the consumers, but considering everything they've gotten away with so far, I'm confident they could do it.
As for gil is worthless/gil has worth, they aren't actually mutually exclusive as it would appear at first glance. Gil has worth up to a certain point. Beyond that point, its worth plummets. Most people who are into the trade game are well beyond the point of worth, but the average player is not.

I'm not personally against trading items purchased in the shop for ingame currency. I like watching people enjoy their toys and it'd open up the world for a lot of people. But I think the block there is that RMT possible link. It's not the consumers that are the only concern, we have the bots who will now have the chance to make even MORE money since Gil would be quite valuable to most people again and have a link to a real world cash item. Gil would have a set cash equivalent : so many fantasias or emotes. It would be a boon for the gil botters and I'd like to think that SE wouldn't cross that line.

I am not against people acquiring items with effort though. I would, however, like to remind people that there are other avenues to their goals. =]

The funny thing about the gil being worthless to trade game people is some of the loudest opponents of introducing a possible (even if it's insanity) p2w aspect were the crafter/mb people. They have quite the attachment to the amount of gil available.. even if it's "worthless".

I didn't think of it much, until the last Hildebrand quest came along, with zero rewards and cash shop items instead. That was just plain insulting.

Keep in mind though, every "exclusive" in the cash shop is an item we are being denied in-game.

Keep in mind that barring hypothetical alternate worlds and timelines we will never know, given all the information we have right now "exclusives" are items that would have never been made without the cash shop. There is an item that was made to be sold, you are not being denied it. It is not available through the game itself and never had plans to be. Limited our information on this may be, that is the current given truth. They could be lying, of course. You work on the assumption they are, I work on the assumption they are not. Hence my original statement.

[HyoMinPark]

Hey SE! Let us buy Ultimate weapons and raid drop packs, I don't have time to raid because I'm a working adult with poor time management but I have lots of money!

I can also argue that you should accept your busy adult life that doesn't have as much time free instead of expecting to be able to throw money at everything.

Hey, look. More hyperbole and doomsaying. Because, Heaven forbid, we try to have a civilized conversation/debate about this without either of those. Just gonna copy this from a previous post.

Unless you have absolute and definitive proof that SE's cash shop is going to go the actual route of pay-to-win in order to progress your character with no other reasonable alternative (keep in mind that EA had no reasonable alternative: it was either lootboxes or spend thousands of hours attempting to catch up, a near impossible feat), all you are doing is doomsaying with your post. One reason people can't take posts like yours seriously is because of the doomsaying and the "slippery slope" logic.

SE doesn't seem like a moronic company; it would only take them five minutes of research to see the backlash they would receive for ever implementing actual pay-to-win features like EA-esque lootboxes.

[Tiraelina]

Hey, look. More hyperbole and doomsaying. Because, Heaven forbid, we try to have a civilized conversation/debate about this without either of those. Just gonna copy this from a previous post.

Yes, it is in fact hyperbole, it wasn't trying to be anything else. I don't know where you get doom saying out of that though.

Paying to have an advantage has been getting pushed, very successfully. The usual response to anyone arguing against it? To be pedantic over semantics instead because somebody said pay-to-win or something similar. I'm pretty sure that falls under the straw man. No, that part really isn't hyperbole either. This has been argued the exact same way since paid retainers were first known about. It sure got us places, and by places, I mean nowhere. It really doesn't matter to me how worthless someone else thinks gil is, I still enjoy selling things. It's more important to me than savage or ultimate, yet you won't find me (seriously) arguing to allow you to buy through it. I know it would be bad for the game. Instead there's just meaningless arguments about which piece of the pie (XIV) is more sacred than the rest in regards to purchases instead of simply pushing back.

Even outside of advantages, cash shops are toxic to subscription based games. Why would they need to make long-term content that keeps players leaning towards being active when they could just release more things on a store that covers its own cost within a dozen sales. I have zero reason to believe a large business claiming the money will be used to help the game either. All we've been getting from SE themselves is server issues this and that, for servers running on a hope and prayer they can certainly handle another 6 retainers. The fact SE keeps recycling content ad infinitum instead of making something interesting is beside the point here. Stagnation is a bigger problem than anything else.

EA has also already removed loot boxes from that game because of the backlash, narrowly dodging being classified as gambling. If only it was retroactive, ME's multiplayer isn't bad.

[Alleo]

all the people who complain about the cost and how they would rather be able to earn it in game even if it takes months. Get your butts out there and make some money. The opportunity to get those items IS there, you just have to spend a little more effort in REAL life.

Dear SE please raise all the prices of the mounts to 200 $ and make them single character only. Because if people complain that one digital mount costs more than the monthly sub they pay it seems that they just dont earn enough money and thus have no reason to complain. So if someone does not want to pay 200 $ for it they should just earn more rl. (And yes this is sarcasm)

This is a game and a MMO..it should take time to get stuff. (Reasonable time and not years or something) But hey please put savage stuff in the mog station. I dont have the time and group to clear it and because of that lets sell it for money..

Hey, look. More hyperbole and doomsaying. Because, Heaven forbid, we try to have a civilized conversation/debate about this without either of those. Just gonna copy this from a previous post.

Why cant she not ask for ultima weapons in there? They are just glamour anyway and since buying stuff for glamour is fine that should be fine too right? It just really annoys me that people can point out that someone should just earn more money as if your complains are only there because we could not afford it..instead of just accepting that not everyone is fine with the prices on these digital goods and point out how far you could take that. Tiraelinas post was not even about P2W but more about Krotoans post that its about the income of people and thus saying that if its fine to pay a price because they dont have time to grind for it ingame then this should happen to savage too since not everyone has time and the stuff is glamour.

[HyoMinPark]

Yes, it is in fact hyperbole, it wasn't trying to be anything else.

Best to avoid those in the future. It doesn’t make people more inclined to listen to what you have to say, because they will more than likely just dismiss the rest of your arguments as hyperbole or as exaggerations.

Why cant she not ask for ultima weapons in there? They are just glamour anyway and since buying stuff for glamour is fine that should be fine too right? It just really annoys me that people can point out that someone should just earn more money as if your complains are only there because we could not afford it..instead of just accepting that not everyone is fine with the prices on these digital goods and point out how far you could take that. Tiraelinas post was not even about P2W but more about Krotoans post that its about the income of people and thus saying that if its fine to pay a price because they dont have time to grind for it ingame then this should happen to savage too since not everyone has time and the stuff is glamour.

Back before 4.2 and the new tier of gear, the Ultimate weapons were actually BiS for those who cleared because of the three guaranteed melds on top of the same stats as the Genji weapons. That said, those who cleared Ultimate were not doing it for the “glamour”; they did it for the challenge.

Current-tier Savage gear is also not glamour—not at all in the same sense as the actual glamour items present in the current cash shop. I have no idea where you even got that, unless you are also being hyperbolic. In which case, see above.

People that are anti-cash shop want to cry about how it’s pay-to-win because you can rent additional retainers; being able to buy potentially BiS weapons would actually make the cash shop pay-to-win. She isn’t asking for them; she’s making a hyperbolic, sarcastic statement to, I guess, further her own argument. But hyperbole and sarcastic remarks aren’t going to make people listen to you. They’re just going to make you look petty.