Whats going on with SE ?

[Sigma-Astra]

...I'm not even sure how my post was flame baiting or insulting towards you? I'd apologize, but I'm not even sure what I'm apologizing for. I think you need to take a step back from the computer, breathe a little, and drink some chamomile tea because all you're doing is slandering me for no reason.

I didn't even say that you or anyone else needed to accept feeling as if they've been "ripped off". It's rude and not very pleasant to put words in other people's mouths. You're super aggressive towards me and I'm not even sure why. I think I'll just stay off of the OF forums more often because you're just a very not nice person to be around with.

[Seig345]

If the server didn’t send your inventory data to the duty server along with you, you would show up naked, and everyone else would look naked since their inventory data wasn’t transferred either.

And opening your inventory for the first time would then involve a wait time while the duty server sends the data request back to your world server for the data. Even if you only wanted useable items like potions to load, the duty server has no way of knowing about that unless it receives your inventory data from your world server.

You also have to receive both your own inventory/gear data and the gear data for your party members or again, they would appear naked.

[Sigma-Astra]

If the server didn’t send your inventory data to the duty server along with you, you would show up naked, and everyone else would look naked since their inventory data wasn’t transferred either.

And opening your inventory for the first time would then involve a wait time while the duty server sends the data request back to your world server for the data. Even if you only wanted useable items like potions to load, the duty server has no way of knowing about that unless it receives your inventory data from your world server.

You also have to receive both your own inventory/gear data and the gear data for your party members or again, they would appear naked.

Imagine running dungeons or Savage and all your team members are naked because the server didn't send everyone's specific glamours on. xD

[Ruf]

If the server didn’t send your inventory data to the duty server along with you, you would show up naked, and everyone else would look naked since their inventory data wasn’t transferred either.

And opening your inventory for the first time would then involve a wait time while the duty server sends the data request back to your world server for the data. Even if you only wanted useable items like potions to load, the duty server has no way of knowing about that unless it receives your inventory data from your world server.

You also have to receive both your own inventory/gear data and the gear data for your party members or again, they would appear naked.

Which brings it back to a core fix needed because, the fact its working like that doesnt seem right at all

[Vstarstruck]

If the server didn’t send your inventory data to the duty server along with you, you would show up naked, and everyone else would look naked since their inventory data wasn’t transferred either.

And opening your inventory for the first time would then involve a wait time while the duty server sends the data request back to your world server for the data. Even if you only wanted useable items like potions to load, the duty server has no way of knowing about that unless it receives your inventory data from your world server.

You also have to receive both your own inventory/gear data and the gear data for your party members or again, they would appear naked.

I get that, however unless I am completely misunderstanding, this goes back to what they said of adding more inventory on the character.

They said something along the lines the game sends full data of inventory every 3 seconds or so to "check" there is no tampering. (something to this effect) and it was this to explain why we have server tics as well. In the end though we know it is an issue with coding efficiency for the sheer fact other games do not have server tics (none that I know of anyway) Like in wow, I never read about server tics effecting your rotations like it can do to BLM here. If you cast that flare or whatever at the wrong time, you need to release a blizzard, foul or thunder to fill in that time for server tic, where if you get lucky, you do something else for higher DPS. So when you have something like server tics effecting someone's rotation like that, you really gotta question why it is there, and if there is an overall problem with coding efficiency.

[Talraen]

And tell me...why is there so much data transferred?!...

I have no idea, I don't work on the game. The fact is, you don't know either. There could be any number of reasons that made sense at the time, that actually still make sense now despite the issues, or that were always stupid. The game might be far better today if they had designed it a different way. But we don't know any of this. What I do know is that when I inherit people's code and have to maintain it, they've often made decisions that seem to be incredibly stupid and harm performance in a variety of ways. Sometimes, it's as simple as that and they can be fixed. Other times, it becomes clear that there was a method behind the madness and I'm stuck with it. Still other times, I "fix" things assuming I know better, and end up having to fix the catastrophic errors I just introduced due to not fully understanding every aspect of the code. I've learned not to do that lightly.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you can't possibly be certain that you're right, yet you're acting like your word is gospel.

[Krotoan]

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you can't possibly be certain that you're right, yet you're acting like your word is gospel.

On that note consider we don't have and have not ever had a item duplication problem.

[Seig345]

Which brings it back to a core fix needed because, the fact its working like that doesnt seem right at all

I’m not saying the code doesn’t need fixing, but how exactly can the server send you data about what other players are wearing without sending that data to your client?

The reason YOU would also end up naked is because the cross-data-center duties are hosted on a separate server dedicated to dungeon instances. Meaning you are playing a temporary copy of your character the moment you set foot in a duty, any changes to your character are then sent back to your world server upon leaving the duty and overwrites the character data as it was when you started the dungeon.

Also, if you didn’t carry any inventory into a dungeon with you, how would the game need to handle someone who doesn’t have enough inventory slots open to keep everything they decided to pick up in the dungeon when they leave?

[Vhailor]

I’m not saying the code doesn’t need fixing, but how exactly can the server send you data about what other players are wearing without sending that data to your client?

The reason YOU would also end up naked is because the cross-data-center duties are hosted on a separate server dedicated to dungeon instances. Meaning you are playing a temporary copy of your character the moment you set foot in a duty, any changes to your character are then sent back to your world server upon leaving the duty and overwrites the character data as it was when you started the dungeon.

Also, if you didn’t carry any inventory into a dungeon with you, how would the game need to handle someone who doesn’t have enough inventory slots open to keep everything they decided to pick up in the dungeon when they leave?

It's not a question of whether or not data gets sent; it's how much, and how often. FFXIV sends huge amounts of data very frequently. The net result of this is less third-party manipulation (in theory - there are plenty of exploits that FFXIV has had to deal with), but a lot of unnecessary constraints imposed by server limitations.

There isn't a perfect solution, to be sure, but I would argue that as soon as an implementation begins meaningfully infringing on a company's ability to grow the game, it's time to shift course. If SE doesn't want to rebuild the engine, they should invest in vastly improved server capabilities, so that the effects are invisible for the foreseeable future. Otherwise, they're letting their own architecture throttle their cash cow.

[Seig345]

[...] If SE doesn't want to rebuild the engine, they should invest in vastly improved server capabilities, so that the effects are invisible for the foreseeable future. Otherwise, they're letting their own architecture throttle their cash cow.

Personally, given the way the narrative seems to be leaning towards an eventual "confrontation" with the Garleans on their own turf (as well as probably some ultimate confrontation with the Ascians to foil their plot to bring their papa big dark bad back), I'd rather see them eventually wrap the story up and make a fresh start taking lessons learned from XIV than see them unintentionally break and twist the game we have now and potentially just make it worse in the process. With a fresh start there's at least a feeling of "breaking away" and the past can be left as it was instead of risking burning it down before sending it off.